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[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m coreyr.[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m lmaxson.[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m so we meet again[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m Hey.[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m hey[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m I tried the mailing list.[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m yeah i saw that[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m Did I go way off base?[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m well, you could try and give some details :)[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m yeah[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m your much to ambigious[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m I keep running into this barrier.[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m Where am I being ambiguous?[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m well, you in no way cover SL/I :)[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m But SL/I is only a specification language.[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m sure, but you're making claims about it...[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m but not giving any real examples of how SL/I lives up to these claims :)[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m No, I tried to be clear that it applied to any specification language.[0m
[1;34m<[0meihrul[1;34m>[0m anyway, gotta go[0m
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[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m Maybe I should have just stayed with Prolog.  That way everyone would have a reference.  Instead I opt for Prolog with PL/I syntax.[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m well[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m i dont think its that[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m you should be more to the point[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m and back up that point[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m Am I being ambiguous when I say that all computing hardware and software is 100% logic based?[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m no[0m
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[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m hmm[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m try an outline[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m its your phrasing[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m First my timing is off, then my phrasing.:-)[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m I wonder how many on the member list are familiar with logic programming, Prolog, AI, and the Z-specification language.[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m hmm[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m your problems are social[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m Due to its failure to penetrate I suspect they have not heard of Trilogy.[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m I guess I could refer them to articles in CACM.[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m Social?[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m yeah[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m Maybe it's my turn to ask for details.[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m im sure[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m you know what to do[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m just[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m ah hell[0m
[1;34m<[0mcoreyr[1;34m>[0m i give up :)[0m
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[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m You want private messages?[0m
[1;34m<[0mlmaxson[1;34m>[0m Haven't done that in a while.  Give me a sec.[0m
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[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m hey tril[0m
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[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m when's bespin going to have its guts all sorted out properly?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m </nag>[0m
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[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m what's wrong with it?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m heh[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m seriously, I haven't seen any problems..[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m my shell account spews nonsense and the channel logger is still fubar[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m not that it properly sorted out noise *before*[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m what is wrong with your shell account?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m and what's up with our zope installation?[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m Zope is fine.. I haven't added anything, neither has any review contributor..[0m
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[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m ok stop now[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m duh, you didn't promote it![0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m sorry, it wasn't supposed to paste all at once[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m anyway, i'm now working 7 days a week, so i don't really have time[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m what do you mean I didnt promote it. I posted on the main list and copied to review. I could add on the main page..[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m geez[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m one announcement means shit[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m you who desires signal above all else, should I repeat myself?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m this thing has to get merged into the tunes stuff itself[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m no[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m elaborate[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m discuss details, ask questions[0m
[1;31m-[0m[1;37m:[1;31m-[0m [1;36mHenZo [1;30m[[0;36mhenzo@bespin.dhs.org[1;30m][0m has joined #tunes[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m hey henzo[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m You think I should post a second duplicate announcement about zope.tunes.org?[0m
[1;34m<[0mHenZo[1;34m>[0m hey[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m i just said "no"![0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m I already made all the details clear, if no one cares to reply, it's not my concern.[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m not your concern?[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m Not until it's more polished.[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m you put so much work into something, and you don't care if it gets used?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m okay[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m then polish it[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m Like, with searching and intelligent page-layouts for users[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m ok...[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m that's all i wanted to know[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m not "no one's using it" crap[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m that's fine[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m water: the problem with your shell is that you have a csh-stype alias file, but are using bash as your shell[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m I don't know how that happened[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m hell if i know[0m
11:50pm
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m it didn't start until the latest os upgrade[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m well, I think I fixed it.[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m so i figured it was a temporary thing while you updated the configs[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m ok[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m it doesnt give that message anymore[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m if anything else is weird, let me know[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m how?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m mail you and get ignored?[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m Just because I ignored some of your Arrow mail doesn't mean I ignore admin mail.[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m Plus last time you mailed me it was a request to join this channel, and I came.[0m
[1;30m* [1;33mwater/#tunes [0mignores that[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m anyway[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m are you finally up-to-date on the mailing list?[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m I guess not[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m grr[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m you're dropping out of the picture, you know that?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m do you know what Fare's up to?[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m I know what Fare is up to[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m I was wondering what you thought about it[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m i'm not quite sure what to think[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m very little of it is positive[0m
[1;34m<[0mHenZo[1;34m>[0m Interesting idea though.[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m creating a company to develop tunes, right?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m "interesting idea" -> startup co?[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m yes[0m
[1;34m<[0mHenZo[1;34m>[0m Mm-hmm.[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m it's not novel by any means[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m It's positive in the sense that he wants to work on tunes, which his PhD work won't let him do[0m
[1;34m<[0mHenZo[1;34m>[0m Interesting is all I could come up with to describe it.[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m yeah well i doubt working on a company will free up any time[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m and his mind will be on money now[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m My opinion is if the investors understand that tunes may take 20 years to write , and still want to pay people full time to work on possibly failed work, then fine.[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m I agree, he will need other people to handle business work if he is to concentrate on R&D[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m yeah that's fine, but it's also just in france[0m
[1;34m<[0mHenZo[1;34m>[0m Yeah that'd be nice.[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m well... i am not sure of that[0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m either way, i see it as cutting me out[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m I think he the best source of funding is companies like VA linux, who already sponsor lots of open source projects[0m
[1;34m<[0mTril[1;34m>[0m water: I was under the impression you refused to work with Fare, anyway..[0m
[1;34m<[0mHenZo[1;34m>[0m Yes, but would they sponsor another? [0m
[1;34m<[0mwater[1;34m>[0m so?[0m
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