IRC log started Wed Oct 13 00:00:01 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.1013 -:- SignOff air: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) -:- SignOff Syntax: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Syntax[01-055.006.popsite.net]) -:- Syntax [dma@06-099.006.popsite.net] has joined #Tunes -:- fire [no@209-68-229-76.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes anyone awake? no hi fare how are you? not I think not, therefore I am not uhhh... could we act a little more coherent please? we could, if we were so how come the HLL? comes 06:20am not :( are you high or something? 06:30am rather low 07:00am well i am off to school later fare -:- SignOff fire: #TUNES (Leaving) 07:10am -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us800.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- NetSplit: devlin.openprojects.net split from asimov.openprojects.net [09:53am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [devlin.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: devlin.openprojects.net asimov.openprojects.net -:- Syntax [dma@06-099.006.popsite.net] has joined #Tunes -:- SignOff Syntax: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Syntax[06-099.006.popsite.net]) -:- flo [user1214@212186161144.tirol.chello.at] has joined #tunes -:- flo [user1214@212186161144.tirol.chello.at] has left #tunes [] -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (brb) -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #tunes -:- _ruiner_ [nate@ppp131.wi.centurytel.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (Ping timeout for _ruiner_[ppp131.wi.centurytel.net]) -:- ruiner [blah@ppp089.wi.centurytel.net] has joined #tunes any of you here know much about mobile ip's? what are they? kinda like a hybrid between static and dynamic ip's ok http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2002.html http://anchor.cs.binghamton.edu/~mobileip/ 12:10pm -:- SignOff ruiner: #TUNES (Read error to ruiner[ppp089.wi.centurytel.net]: Connection reset by peer) -:- NetSplit: adams.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [12:24pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [adams.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: adams.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Fare [fare@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes -:- Zhivago [brian@th.merddin.com.au] has joined #Tunes -:- Syntax [dma@12-200.006.popsite.net] has joined #Tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us800.javanet.com]) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us909.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Tril: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Tril[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.dhs.org] by clarke.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success -:- Use /Server to connect to a server -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from varley.openprojects.net) -:- Your host is varley.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) (from varley.openprojects.net) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 12 02:19 EDT(from varley.openprojects.net) -:- varley.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(28)] 5% -:- [global users on irc(249)] 44% -:- [invisible users on irc(315)] 56% -:- [ircops on irc(14)] 2% -:- [total users on irc(564)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(34)] (avg. 16 users per server) -:- [total channels created(145)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !varley.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 58 (54 clients) !varley.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 3 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Topic for #TUNES: Reflective Computing System - http://www.tunes.org/ -:- topic set by IMPO [Sat Oct 9 15:58:11 1999] -:- [Users(#tunes:7)] [ TUNES ] [ hcf ] [ Syntax ] [ Fare ] [ Zhivago ] [ smkl ] [ abi ] -:- Channel #tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 7.141 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #TUNES -:- mode/#tunes [+o Tril] by ChanServ -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- lar1 [lar1@sdn-ar-004casfrMP115.dialsprint.net] has joined #tunes Hola all hello lar1 03:00pm -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp77.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes Hey eihrul lo 03:30pm -:- Wulfere [user4913@isdn-45.remote.gatech.edu] has joined #tunes anyone at ALS? what's tunes about? -:- SignOff Wulfere: #TUNES (Leaving) 03:40pm -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial230.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Shalom! lo -:- fire [no@209-68-229-143.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes :D hi all Hi fire hi mr. brazil :) 03:50pm i am mr. mexico :D:D:D Y'know, I'm not Mr. Brazil any more than most people on IRC are Mr. USA i know tis a joke so what's up? has fare been somewhat active lately? i was here this morning and he was filling the channel with incoherent rhetoric :( * lar1/#tunes hasn't seen fare utter a word lately yeah and when he does he says one thing and then nothing FARE! Are you alive? -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Kaufmann[dial230.infolink.com.br]) brb -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial510.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Hello again thankee You are from Brazil? .br says it all :) Cool i noticed when cobol was here he meantioned portuguese Its cool to talk to people outside the US i think we can deduce that he's brazilian :) yeah where has beholder been not only is he or project coordinator but he is also canadian :) Cool! Canada is neato neato * Fare/#Tunes is dead :D :) 04:00pm That explains it! fare: you plain suck! what do I suck? scheme's hairy balls :) eirgh he's speechless well, I'll be back online in some 40 minutes... we'll pick up the conversation then damnit! I hate netscape! It dumped _again_! :) later Kaufmann abi, netscape? i guess netscape is one massive program or like that, and it'll never get better, so get used to it later kaufmann -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (As I said, I'll be back in some 40 minutes (or when hell freezes over - whichever comes first) ... don't wait up! "Jesus would make a good main character for a Seinfeld spinoff" - Amber) AND AgAIN! I am gonna go postal! If core is dumped does that always mean a segfault? what does (*ptr) mean in c? ptr is a pointer I think Cause of that yes of course but what does the () do? Oh... that I don't know :) my brother helped me with some code but i didn't bother to ask him what (*buffer)++; actually does Well, remove the () and see if it breaks ;) 04:10pm there's a difference there... i.e. int integers [1], * buffer = integers; er ignore that :) but *buffer++ advances buffer by 1, and returns the value at the old address of buffer (*buffer)++ is treated as var++, such that (*buffer) acts as the var itself, hence it reads the value, increments the value, and returns the old value or more simply explained: the ++ operator has higher precedence than the * operator and gets evaluated first, unless otherwise specified with () 04:20pm -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp77.lvdi.net] has left #tunes [] -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us638.javanet.com] has joined #tunes hi hcf next time a get a free calling card for something, im calling fare :) Hey hcf! hoy lar1 * hcf/#tunes yawns fire, you serious? hell why not? free calling card? what's that? it's the only way to really get ahold of fare * lar1/#tunes noitces that fare looks up -:- SignOff Zhivago: #TUNES (Leaving) a card that has a number so you call another number and enter in that number you get a certain amount of time to call someone 04:30pm I have one call fare :D Don't have his number a cousin is on line already and mom wouln't be big on me using up the units on it that fast... ehehe -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp77.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes my number is on http://tunes.org/~fare/contact.html i got a 20 minute calling card from like sears or something sears? i used it up calling my girlfriend in the next town :( a clothing store I have a 15 minute one from rite aid they "give" you cards marginally free as an incentive to shop at their's? fare: Then aren't free :( but they are pretty resaonable oh fare: that's what junk mail is for Fare: You are in france, right? fare: yes So _thats_ what fare looks like Looks younger then I had pictured lar1: today, it isn't Germany for a while i never pictured fare being vietnamese before eve nthough he told me hehehe fare: and comb your hair :P -:- IMPO [ihatebob@p08-15.hartford.dialin.ntplx.com] has joined #tunes fare isn't french? :D lar1: the picture is younger than I am :D fare: how comes the HLL? lar1: I'm french in many ways. Just not from my mother's genes. fire: does it? Fare: Ah, I see what progress have you made? fire: have I made any? 04:40pm Fare: Why do you list your parents number and your work number but not your number? that's why i ask you :D (not that I intend to call) fine have you made any progress on the HLL ??? lar1: because there is no other number? fire: little Fare: You live with your parents? at one point last month i was about 60 miles away from water :) we docked in san diego You were about 460 miles from lar1 take scheme, add a notion of "domain" wherein allocation happens; associate to every domain a call/cc that reifies *that* domain. lar1: yup Where is water? water is at http://www.tunes.org/~water/water.html or an expression of the Tao or our island of intelligence or mailto:water@tunes.org fare: why little? lar1: seattle Uhhh, how is seattle 60 miles from san diego? abi: seen core core was last seen on IRC 15 days, 1 hours, 23 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: what's up? did you write more of EMK? [Tue Sep 28 15:20:31 1999] hrmm, where is core lately? He is very buisy at work um i said he docked in san diego he's in the navy Ohhh, I thought you said you docked at san diego... San Diego isn't 60 miles from France... :) I assume you are in the US, fare? (or were) i live in north san diego county hahaha Doh! farhee lives in paris * lar1/#tunes has been readint fire as fare or better yet perhee heh one vowel of a difference and F in Fare is capitalized Ok, one of you, either fire or fare... change the nick please :) 04:50pm Is anyone here a (ham|ametuer) radio operator? -:- NetSplit: devlin.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [04:52pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [devlin.openprojects.net] -:- NetSplit: king.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [04:52pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [king.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: king.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Fore [lee@usr5-ppp77.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- Netjoined: devlin.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Fare [fare@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #tunes -:- Syntax [dma@12-200.006.popsite.net] has joined #tunes -:- ElGato [no@209-68-229-143.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes Ahhh! Fore? Fare? Fire? I can't take the pressure!! -:- ElGato is now known as fire I'll have you all know that today I broke culture barriers as I finally learned to spin a pen That takes mad skill :) -:- Fore is now known as eihrul lar1: how old, sex, where do you live? fire: Wow, I thought everyone had labeled me with my age :( I'm 14, male and in San Jose, CA, USA YES! Why? 14 years old high five :D im 14 too :) You are serious? yeah Not a single joke? Cool Cool! oh and male, san diego, CA, USA I thought I was the only one in the world!! me too !!! uh oh :D I am not alone! Sweet! you sure? Well, assuming that fire is telling the truth (which he has no reason not to) then yes, I am sure but are you sure fire exists? i might have my picture around here somewhere eihurl: How could he not? how could he? http://www.tunes.org/~dave/dave.jpg wysinwi 05:00pm eihrul: what mean wysinwi? or wysinawyg what you see is not what is oh quiet i am what i say i am sure you are if you want you can hear my girly voice eihrul: How do you know I exist? How do you know _you_ exist? but what is 'i' in the context of you? exactly how do you know concretely anything exists? stupid console paste is broken! I see it you can see hallucinations as well Ok, ok, fine I don't know for sure anything exists Are you trying to start a philosphical debate, or annoy me? something must exist no, you just said you were sure, that's all if anything there must be one instance of reality somewhere Fire: sorry I don't have a picture right now, I'll look for one asap otherwise there would be no stance for everything else to not exist no prob :D lar1: so what do ya do as far as computers go? impo: reality <> one's perception of it impo saw a picture of my brother now he thinks he's fat just because his friend was next to him and is really skinny fire: Code... asm, c I have an OS project, Raven (if you haven't herd of it) there is an opposite to all if there are things that do not exist there must be something that does exist how is there an opposite to everything? how is there not? how is there? -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial887.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes can there be light without dark or vice versa IMPO: Yes As promised, here I am again :) can there be a basis for good without an ounce of bad IMPO: Not in a human, no what do you compare it to? wow, deep philosophical questions at #tunes lar1: cool :) what is darkness if nothing else but darkness exists? fire: What do you do? never heard of your os though just because a human needs to think of things relatively, doesn't mean reality necessarily works that way Are you saying reality is not relitive? asm, c, forth, writing an interpreter for a programming language project what exists without an opposite impo: length length is a human measure fire: Neat! I have been thinking about picking up forth it exists nonetheless or it doesn't exist, but either way it has no opposite but your point was that things only exist in human thought since you say everything must FORTH is great how are you proving that point by giving an example of human thought excelent choice...if you know c and asm then forth is naturally the next important language to learn lengths exist so far as we can measure The oppsite of length is the absense of length did you learn asm first? length is relative though and only in thought does an actual opposite of length (i.e. negative length) if the universe expands and say a million years from now everything is 2 times as large you will not notice a foot will be what was once a half foot fire: No :) It went BASIC -> C -> asm -> c++ but to you it is still a foot length, therefore, does not exist oh i feel sorry for you learning BASIC :( lenght does exist fire: Heh, I was pretty young it is just variable, in that instance IMPO, that's not very solid counterproof of length what is proof of length? i went C++ -> C -> asm -> FORTH But do things that exist in thoguht really exist at all? there still needs to be a negation to any given length at an infinitely small moment of time :D -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes that something must travel a distance? Thus does length exist? that is considering time exists i should have never learned c++ How could time not exist? you are assuming what is only theory as your basis for truths fire: Why not? i don't like c++ :) impo: if it does not exist, it also exists didn't you say it is possible that nothing exists? impo: so say you well then time can certainly not exist your own claim proves my point Ahh! This is hrurting my head!! 05:10pm lar1: you got a webpage for raven? abi: raven? fire: i don't know fire: Not really, somone did up a pretty crappy page, but when I find time I intend to make a good one (or better) webpages#@ time to plug what is the opposite of a webpage? nes.davesvgc.com :D a worthwhile use of time that is the opposite of a webpage Heh well, what is it? impo: mabye phwibbles will design my site for me * Fare/#Tunes started with BASIC, too How can all things have oppisites? all things do have opposites i propose anti-webpages so show me an instance of an anti-webpage What is the oppiste of me? you cannot detect them * fire/#tunes starts the BASIC anonymous they must exist IMPO: like, all the criticism against foo.com would be on foo.com.anti ? since webpages exist I remember an anti-paladin in old AD&D gaming well webpages are data and data is matter is it not okay... so i guess an anti-webpage well then the opposite of a webpage would be antimatter in the form of data in the form of a webpage would be it's 2s complement or it's 1s complement Fare, no! You have to apply rot13 to all the URLs, that's all will it have negative mass? dependening on whether you're thinking addition or bitwise orring How can somthing have negitive mass?!? when it comes in contact with a webpage distaster plagues us all! jjj.gharf.bet "warning this product is 100% matter; keep away from anti-matter or small children made of anti-matter." lar1: negative anti-mass, then? er bitwise xoring anyway :) how can something have infinite mass either? orring... hehe makes me thing of a boat Pages will be put into persistent storage as positrons fire, yeah :) IMPO: Well, it didn't mean to get that way, it just kept on eating... and eating and eating :) oh gluttonous time-travelling bastards Heh didn't Azimuth talk about positronic brains? yes well i believe it was called something else not positronic Does anyone happen to know the reserved address ranges on the x86 architecture? He also found thyotimoline... You're thinking Asimov no? no Kaufmann: re-read the article on thyotimoline (sp?) Azimuth? Like elevation?? then wtf is Azimuth? wasn't azimuth mentioned in the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy IMPO: in the french translation, that's "positronique", anyway fire: What is your music of choice? rock/metal asimov was a great author cool! Me too! i read i, robot in the ninth grade and it changed a lot of ways of thinking for me I just picked up the Black Sabbath _Reunion_ album I'm in heavy metal heaven :) I like most muisc though... (please lets not hairsplit that) impo: i just met a microsoft programmer from fallbrook on efnet :D lar1: ^5 lol lar1: what about anti-music? get his address we will go lynching lol impo fire: what was that? I just got a ^5 over here? high five :D eihrul: Have any? I'll take a look fire: Oh! cool before we joke much more about IMPO's idea of anti-everything, I'd like to point out that a lot of things that we usually think about as nouns aren't actually /things/ 05:20pm Like the mind, for example they are nouns but in the abstract lar1: anti-music would be umm, noise "Asking 'where does the mind go after the body dies?' is akin to asking 'where does the speed go after the car stops?'." Assuming anit is the inverse of somthing anti-music exists yes it does kaufman: potential energy, duh or atleast to other energy... eihrul, not quite... speed != energy So when the body dies, the mind goes into a state of stasus? if you have no net acceleration then perhaps :) but otherwise, it can