IRC log started Sun Sep 12 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0912 -:- ineedhelp [newbie@adsl-63-193-153-193.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #Tunes anyone in here use open linux?im wondering how to get to the place where i can change the themes like make it win os or mac os theme someone please help me 01:20am -:- ineedhelp [newbie@adsl-63-193-153-193.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has left #Tunes [] -:- SignOff liar: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) -:- MAxD [m.dentico@a79.teseo.it] has joined #tunes -:- MAxD [m.dentico@a79.teseo.it] has left #tunes [] -:- pyro [tcn@cci-209150250098.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us205.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff pyro: #TUNES (byte) -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- liar [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes isnt there a prefix to tell the compiler about global variables in other .o files without redefining it? nm 11:20am in which language? nevermind in C, it's extern :) actually, in assembly (depending), it's extern too 11:30am the nice thing about how brix does it is that it doesnt need to receive :) oops 11:40am -:- infotek [infotek@shell.ametro.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff infotek: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us1040.javanet.com] has joined #tunes * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 39 hrs 56 min 17 secs hi Tril hi anything new? nnot if you mean related to tunes ok, how about non-tunes news? I'm going to try installing debian unstable on my workstation here at nas liar brix just locked up it says Welcome to the BRiX Environment, am I supposed to be able to type anything? Tril: no, just sit in awe 01:40pm wow, it can detect my CPU and RAM, I am impressed treboot wrong window 01:50pm -:- lar1 [LarMan@1Cust99.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes Hola hi ho Whats core's mail? core@tunes.org works ok, thanks hrmm... you beat abi was no contest since she didnt have the info but still... we can now suspect tril is a bot Yes she does... its under clementine though, I got it just as Tril anwsered ;) what would be the point? hrm... any way to swap the high word and low word of a register, perchance? xchg? high word isn't addressable bswap Whats the difference between a hub and a switch? tril: ah... that was it... thanks a hub connects all the machines in a "bus" fashion. so they are all seen in Windows ntework neighborhood for example and if two transmit at the asme time they get a collision ah, fsck it.. i'll just use the stack a switch routes packets between ports individually, so none of the machines can packet sniff the others Ohh I like switches :) they're more expensive A lot more expensive? * eihrul/#tunes ponders why it takes him more instructions/cycles to enter or leave this system call than to execute it's actual body. maybe * lar1/#tunes thinks there has to be a better way to do what eihrul is doing 02:00pm wait... -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) i can just do a segment override and use the stack segment since the system call already switches to the kernel segment, instead of putting the data segment up how does one do segment overrides in nasm? * lar1/#tunes would like a cheap rack mount 5 port 100Mbit switch, a print server and a 100Mb (full duplex) PCMCIA card... ah... found it Is there an online store that has perticularly low prices? pricewatch.com You can buy from them? I thought they just listed prices... they have the lowest prices for each particular item, from whatever store has that best price. No one store has better prices on ALL the items. Thats true So you contact pricewatch and the accuire the item and ship it to you, or you look who has is at pricewatch and buy it from whatever store it lists? no just follow the link to the store then mention pricewatch in your order if they don't list the price that was quoted at pricewatch ok ack, 12 cycles to move segment register 02:10pm hrmm, do memory accesses off of EBP default to SS or DS? ss ss? What dummy at intel thought that one up? bp is used to access arguments from the stack... tril: The default segment register is SS for the effective addresses containing a BP index, DS for other effec- tril: says the intel manual but does that include EBP if i can get away with not having to load the data segment :) BP, EBP, same difference Whats the difference between a managed and an unmanaged switch? gah lar1: dunno Managed switches are a tad out of my price range ;) By a couple digits Is it safe to go with el no brand switches or is that not a good idea? i dunno what are you using your network for video conferencing? Nope... but that would be nice (yes, video conferncing of people in the same building!!!) I need to share a cable modem accross my lan (ip Masq) and beable to move a gig or to over the network in less then forever : 02:20pm Some of these prices are dislocating my jaw how fast is the ip masq box , and will it use freebsd/nat or linux/ipchains? Its a 486dx/100 8 meg and I was planing on ipchains I could use a p150 if 486 is not enough i dont think yuo need a switch for a home netwrok, unless you're REALLY hardcore but I dont really know enough, so i cant be certain arne't 100MBit hubs expensive enogh? I am looking at a $78 swithc Dual Speed Unmanaged FastEthernet Switch. 5 RJ45 Ports. Full Dulpex 20/200Mbps per port. does a managed switch mean it can be used for firewalling? Sorry block certain tcp ports, control access and routing rules for each switch port separately, etc? That can be done via software exactly. switches run software too you know obviously it needs to be done INSIDE the switch Not in the way most people think of software... yes, it runs an OS It does?!? cisco has an OS in their routers. I had to type in commands to one through my serial port. it's pretty extensive wiw s/wiw/wow That just disturbs me switches are just computers. they have a CPU and RAM 02:30pm since they aren't general purpose they are one kind of "embedded" system i guess So why can't I use a computer, put 10 network cards in and switch? nevermind the fact that 10 cards wont work you can...if you have the slots. But it would maybe not be as efficient Plus a rack mount switch looks _much_ cooler I want a rack right next to my bed... I got a spot all picked out The dual speed hubs are costing only $20 less then switches Holy !@#$... I like this pricewatch $237 for 27Gb dont order that maxtor is coming out with a 35.6 Gig that is a better deal, any week now but if you cant afford $200, get the 17.2 that's the next best one Ooooooo... drool... drrrrrool I was just looking at how much they are, I don't intend on getting anything that big All my drives have to be ~$100 Ewww, raid is expensive 02:40pm Lets see how much a mesaly 4Gb is... :) * lar1/#tunes contimplates if sticking a string into the cpu fan of his server would be fun or not everything will be like $75 that small regardless of size Yup, $75 the 6, or 8 may be exactly the same price Now... if I catch frys with a drive listed here... and they match prices 110%... ooooo You every buy anthing from these no name stores? some of them Ever have a problem with em? well you have to name a specific one. But when ordering mail order you can expect them to screw up a lot But when you accually get the product... whats the usual good ones to lemons ratio? 1/5 ? 0.2 you need to be a badass if it is bad product, they will try to get you to send it back. refuse. sorry, I just have this parionia of getting bad stuff Tell them they MUST send a call tag to have UPS come and pick it up and bring you the good product at the same time, because they already have your monye. If they object, call your bank and put the charge in dispute. 02:50pm charge in dispute? Is that like a stop payment? not quite. It just means you don't agree with some charges you received on your credit card. So you don't pay until you have a good product? The other party can resolve the dispute by returning your money ok or by sending the stuff they send the wrong stuff (slightly differnet product) more often than they send broken ones they sent me the wrong size RAM and the video card with different options tahn I ordered And I should 'be a badass' if they send the wrong stuff? Or just if they send broken stuff? both be polite to people on the phone. but dont let them make you pay any further Ok also never have them send it to an address that is not the billing address for your credit card If you need to do that then go into your bank and have them add an address to the credit card Ok if you try to ship to an alternate address, it will almost always delay the order, for them to call you on the phone and confirm the address. One question... how the hell can the stores afford to sell the stuff that cheap? example? AMD k6-450 board, chip, case for $137 Or that switch for $78 It just donesn't seem right what brand motherboard? what brand switch? biostar motherboard... and Ark switch... el no name I dont know anything about switches, but for motherboards NEVER buy a cheap one. I buoght the cheapest board I could find once, and had to return it 4 times, they were all broken, and not all in the same way. Heh Ok, thanks mucho Instead, pick a brand that is good (like ASUS) and get a good motherboard. It is the most complicated component in the system and therefore the most likely to go wrong Cheap everything else ok? i wouldnt buy a cheap cdrom either True ok I gotta go pick up a whole crap load of wood, bbl -:- lar1 is now known as lar_away the best thing to do before buying anything is to go on deja.com and type in its exact product name to see if anyone has had it and whether it was good or not usually you get people who have problems with it, and peolpe who love it, and you just have to decide. But sometimes it is obvious one way or the other. 03:00pm the big problems are always there, so you know if there are specific issues with that product 03:10pm Yah, I heard about deja.com on the radio... I tought they were the newsgroup people -:- lar_away is now known as lar1 deja used to be dejanews. They have a huge web-accessible archive of USENET that goes back for a couple years but now they changed their name because they wanna be a portal like everyone else heh I don't like portals... Unless they do something useful ;) The first app that I am gonna write for Raven is a good web browser Hamburgers! Mom is making hamburgers! Yay! 03:50pm the first app I am going to write for TUNES is a text adventure engine. Then I'm going to port DOOM Heh BRB -:- lar1 is now known as lar_away 04:00pm -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us1009.javanet.com] has joined #tunes how do i create a structure if i used typedef to define it? where do you want to create it? away from the definition type var; and dont i do typedef struct {blah} type; to define it? yah... but typedef just creates an alias... you can do: struct foo {blah}; struct foo bar; 05:30pm ok if i have char blah[1000] and i want to pass it to a function do i do function(&blah) and the functions protype is function(char *) ? yah... you don't need the & though for arrays aint working define 'aint working' ok if i remove the & it works yay bfe compiled 05:40pm does it work though? yay bfe crashed haha it doesnt return from prompt_read 05:50pm its not reading from readpipe i just added some printf's to prompt_read in the for loop and it never displays anything will look in a sec brb oh crap i know -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us1009.javanet.com]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us1009.javanet.com] has joined #tunes liar: what was it? 06:00pm -:- Mr_Wrong [seanl@adsl-63-192-213-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #tunes Hello Anyone know of a unicode terminal emulator? 06:20pm nope 06:30pm Oh, I asked in the wrong channel. I meant to ask in #berlin. 06:40pm -:- freak0 [freak0@209.53.18.168] has joined #Tunes -:- freak0 [freak0@209.53.18.168] has left #Tunes [] -:- ultima [ultima@user-37kbakj.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes -:- lar_away is now known as lar1 Hey ultima! hi lar How is (did) your microcontroler project go? its a long term project and its going to bankrupt me. 07:30pm Heh How so? I'd like to actually build the board myself... but thats very hard... very expensive too... Buying a ti-85? i own a ti89 but im not gonna go that route =P i was looking at a few evaluation boards but they are kinda pricey and the software to program them sucks well, the software doesn't suck, but the shit they give you is crippled. -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) Yes halt and catch fire halt and catch fire halted and cought fire ;) yep he executed himsel f=) Heh Hmm, I think this is a typo on price watch: 1.3 million megapixel h0h0h0h0 in refrence to a digital camrea yeah i'd say so 1.3 million megapixel doesn't exist :) that would be some fsckin camera! That would be what... 1.3 terapixel? or petapixel? More then a peta... crap go to eat -:- lar1 is now known as lar_eating 07:40pm -:- lar_eating is now known as lar1 Whats the point of digital zoom? Photoshop can do that, cant it? no there is a point see if you do it with the physical lens it looks better if you zoom in photoshop it looks pixelly if you do it with the lens it just looks less so Digital zoom really zooms on the object? I thought it just blew up the current data hmm maybe * ultima/#Tunes shrugs :) I whish 3x optical zoom @ 1.3 megapixels would drop a little You ever use Pricewatch, Ult? yeah i was not impressed there is a lot of BS You mean 2.3 megapixels, do you not? How do you tell the BS from the legit? I just bought a 1280x960 camera w/3x zoom for $600 The one I wanted was not supported by gPhoto Mr_Wrong: Thats what I want, but I want it for $300-$400 The Fuji 2900 07:50pm Mr_Wrong: u bought a fuji2900 or u wanted it? liar: I wanted it what did u get? liar ur a damned liar =P 09:10pm Mr_Wrong: what camera did u get? >>> liar [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] requested PING 937195982 37419 from #tunes Agfa 1680 1600 x 1200 Max Resolution, built-in LCD Display, built-in Flash $483 from buydig.com hmm some of these say 1600x1200 and some say 1280x960 are there submodels? 09:20pm Mr_Wrong: the 1680 does 1600x1200, the 1280 does 1280x960 liar: The 1600x1200 is a *lie* It's interpolated, not optical resolution Whats the port for mail? the 1680 is 1280x960 optical with 3x optical zoom and 2x digital zoom Digital zoom and interpolation are useless features in a camera They're just marketing gimicks lar1: 25 thanks what does the 1680 offer that makes it better than the 1280 How do I get the stupid thing to veryify an address... lar1: ? With mail? You can;t lar1: u trying to send mail thru telnet? liar: No, I want to see if an address is valid before I send I'm imnpersonating a deamon... eheh try fingering it you can't with sendmail you can try it telnet to port 25 and run "VRFY

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" say HELO first tril that wont work tho it doesnt work for most mailers, but on some (like mine) it does because most mailers will just tell you if it could potentially be valid not if it really exists it doesnt hurt to try does too =) Mr_Wrong: how can u take a picture at 1280x960x30bits if the camera only has 4meg? does it do compression? It's 8 megs and it uses jpeg to store the images 09:30pm thanks whats the average number of images u can store? odd urm g'nite -:- SignOff ultima: #TUNES (Leaving) oh 6-48, agfa's page says it comes with 4meg loar: 15 err liar I got 15 at full resolution at 1280x960? My mail just says that vrfy doesn't work, use rcpt to attempt delivery, and expn isn't allowed Is there any way to see if an address is valid before I send? nope. darn brb 09:40pm Anyone play empire? i play starcraft no i looked at it and realized it was an ASCII game heh and it was raelly hard to understand from looking at it I can't figure the stupid client out... too confusing Hmm, sounds like a bad game liar: What do you think of Tiberan Sun? -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES (Leaving) lar1: i think starcraft is good :) :) wanna play? or maybe some tfc Not right now 09:50pm In 30 mins mabye Whats tfc? team fortress classic, halflife mod i also have the counterstrike mod but it sucks I don't have halflife counterstrike is an anti terrorist thing and the gun is off-centered so its hard to shoot straight so u have starcraft? I have StarCraft/BroodWar kewl, i dont have brood yet :) its like $15 more to buy it locally than direct from blizzard they dont even have the SC battle chest locally which definitely means more locally Uhg... I take it you lack good stores by you we have good stores they have SC and brood war. just not the two in one box Ohh So you have some major chain by you I assume? i started at the closest 7-11 and worked out calling aout 5 places until i got to software etc ewww, software etc i almost didnt call them cuz they are like 5 miles away 5 miles?!? Do you live in a small town? 5 miles to me is short 3 miles to get me to school, 7 miles for my bro well driving sucks when yer a computer addict Thats true hmm pricewatch says buydig has this camera for $483 but buydig says $499.99 10:00pm oops i went to buy.com :) liar: You use pricewatch? ya so u wanna play a game of sc now? 10 mins k im gonna go throw some clothes in the washer, bbiaf 10:10pm ok, I am ready Gotta restart brb -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Leaving) 10:20pm hmm, he didnt come back -:- lar1 [LarMan@1Cust40.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes hola liar: ready? hola ya goto channel uw on battle.net ok, hold on -:- lar1 is now known as lar_away 10:30pm -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us932.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) That didn't work well heh