IRC log started Fri Jul 9 00:00:00 1999 Because I was going to send you to NetRadio, whose Prog Rock station likes Rush. [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0709 thus netradio uses and likely promotes evil proprietary software, thus is also evil hcf: you're stretching the argument a bit :) Sorry I asked :) Fare: am i? ;) OK, go to this URL for a good Rush song in MPEG format (unless you think that's evil too... hehe) http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=139390833/pagename=/share/ensotrack2.html/pop=1/itemdescriptionid=404951/disc=01/track=02/source=MP2/mpeg=1/mp2.mp2 Fare: isnt it like being an accomplice to murder? hcf: to a genocide, rather hcf: or perhaps to total annihilation of mankind Fare: yes, thats better phrasage brb Anyway, I'm off. Bye. -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES ("Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." - Albert Einstein. For more information regarding the good and evil of nationalism, contact Fare at OpenProjectsNet #Tunes. (Heh.)) 12:10am hmmf! back 12:20am -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us224.javanet.com]) -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-215.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Ping timeout for water[ppp-tnt-215.tscnet.net]) -:- smoke [smoke@14dyn177.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-87.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Ping timeout for water[ppp-tnt-87.tscnet.net]) -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-226.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (The Tao has left the building!) -:- smoke is now known as smkShower !aphzen:*! My apologies. Cloning channel spammers frustrate me ;) -:- smkShower is now known as smoke flame ahead! read cybernethique@tunes.org (in french) 06:50am -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us715.javanet.com] has joined #tunes Fare: gakuk 08:50am -:- eStormy [stormy@rain.futuresouth.com] has joined #Tunes hoy eStormy -:- smkl [sami@MCDIV.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (bye bye) 09:40am -:- Fare has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Reflective Computing System -:- eStormy [stormy@rain.futuresouth.com] has left #Tunes [] -:- Fare has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Reflective Computing System POPL'2000 http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~reps/popl00/ -:- Fare has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Reflective Computing System || POPL'2000 @ http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~reps/popl00/ inconsistent topic format -:- hcf has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Reflective Computing System || POPL'2000 -:- s_r [sr@phila-dialup020.nni.com] has joined #tunes 11:00am Fare: know any good fortune servers? http://tunes.org/~fare/fortunes/ i said server not collection, but thats ok -:- binEng [Anders@195.84.234.31] has joined #tunes 11:10am bin hey hoy s_r gakuk! fare you think lowly of FreeOS? I couldn't think lowlier of it let's forget them s_r: grep the logs for Fare's comments on freeos see also my message on review@ well do you know anything about the design of their OS you shouldn't be biased against something because of a few bad notions i don't know much about them, so i don't have an opinion yet they have no design 11:20am let's stop talking about them even freewin9x deserves more attention! Freedows? no, not freedows. freedows is about as lowly as freeos. i want an open source and free Windows NT clone fare: why? s_r: man wine s_r: or boy soda-pop ;) hcf: huh? s_r: twas a pun of sorts explain young man = boy, boy's drink soda-pop, not allowed wine root@sprite:~# man wine 11:30am -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us833.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- Beholder [beholder@ppp-016.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has joined #tunes hey all 12:50pm hoy beh hey HCF Beholder: ask #debian hcf: Ok beh: isnt it common sense to ask the experts? hcf: Assuming it's a difficult question I guess :) hcf: And I found out it is :) no matter the difficulty, experts will give better answers (not counting the RTFM'ers) hcf: That's mostly what I've encounted in #debian... :( beh: then perhaps u should heed the advice hcf: I don't ask questions unless I've struggled with the docs, or the problem for a considerable amount of time. beh: a good practice, but then why r u getting RTFMs in #debian? 01:00pm hcf: Saying RTFM without pointing to the M is a cop out for lazy people to demean thoese who might not have a clue which M to look in. I'm very short on the Debain M knowledge :( hcf: Actually, I didn't get RTFM'ed this time, must be a common question :) 01:10pm -:- Beholder [beholder@ppp-016.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has left #tunes [] -:- tmf [s720@tordivel.ii.uib.no] has joined #tunes hello tmf fare: what do you think about the "ungroupable" argument? would it hold? hi tmf what are you trying to do? did you read the example in my last mail to the mailinglist, where I explain how BASIC, even though turing complete, has problems doing some things? abi: tell s_r about tmf what wish i knew, hcf hmm abi: tmf what? tmf what are you trying to do? s_r: would it be impossible for u to use a colon or something? 01:20pm "trying to do" just now or the big picture? hcf: ok s_r: thank u much hcf: better? s_r promoting vapour i see? s_r: u found the ~one time i mist a colon :P i have a question about strings s_r$ shoot! hmm let me think it voer first * s_r/#tunes looks at some C++ code s_r: be careful, when u gaze into the abyss, it gazes into u as well heh Niechtz 01:30pm -:- Beholder [chaldea@ppp-016.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has joined #tunes anybody, what does it mean that a VM has self virtualization ? 02:00pm Hmm, dunno. Fare probably would. -:- s_r [sr@phila-dialup020.nni.com] has left #tunes [] 02:10pm -:- SignOff tmf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- NetSplit: koontz.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [02:52pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [koontz.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: koontz.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Beholder [chaldea@ppp-016.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has joined #tunes -:- smkl [sami@MCDIV.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (changing servers) -:- smkl [sami@MCDIV.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us833.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- NetSplit: asimov.openprojects.net split from irc.linux.com [03:00pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [asimov.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: asimov.openprojects.net irc.linux.com -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us833.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- Netjoined: varley.openprojects.net asimov.openprojects.net -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us833.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- NetSplit: asimov.openprojects.net split from irc.linux.com [03:13pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [asimov.openprojects.net] -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us833.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- NetSplit: varley.openprojects.net split from asimov.openprojects.net [03:35pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [varley.openprojects.net] -:- _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- Netjoined: varley.openprojects.net asimov.openprojects.net -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us833.javanet.com] has joined #tunes <_QZ> wow nickserv is lagged 03:50pm -:- Beholder [chaldea@ppp-016.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has left #tunes [] * Fare/#Tunes is back from the movie theater I was depressed, so my aunt and uncle took me to see The Matrix Had you seen it before? 04:10pm -:- tcn [tcn@cci-209150250105.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes Gakuk! tcn: howdy? hey fare wassup? * Fare/#Tunes feels good -- back from the movie theater where my uncle and aunt brought me to watch "The Matrix" These guys have summed up the whole story of my life in a single quote: "Knowing the Path is not the same as Taking it". hehe my problem is that unlike the hero who takes the path without knowing it, I know the path without taking it :( :( :( :( :( :( so why don't ya take it? because that's quantum physics: because I know, I cannot take the path. you're not an electron though the two are mutually incompatible ok so what is the path? the path to what? the path: wake up early, go to bed early, have a life, have a gf, stop ircing, write a lot, read a lot, make contacts, and get tunes done. * Fare/#Tunes goto 3053 (unless you have a particular topic to discuss) -:- s_r [sr@phila-dialup561.nni.com] has joined #tunes 3053? 04:20pm anyways I'm managing to get on that path -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Read error to hcf[me-portland-us833.javanet.com]: Network is unreachable) -:- hcf_ [nef@me-portland-us321.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- hcf_ is now known as hcf what path? the two main numbers of life are 3053 and 61453 going to bed eearly, getting stuff done, meeting people.. -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) tcn: congrats. really time for 3053. Bye! * Fare/#Tunes is away * Fare/#Tunes is away (3053) see ya -:- SignOff tcn: #TUNES ((dinner)) 04:30pm -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (sleeping ...) -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@200.224.105.175] has joined #Tunes Shalom! hey kaufmann Dammit, DALNet has split again. are you in Brazil? Yeppers. in the jungles? Nopers. In the jungle of asphalt, iron and concrete. Brazil must be fun for you Not really. Unless you like corruption and a general sense of passivity in the face of imminent doom. what doom? the complete, absolute, devastating crash of worldwide economy. what will cause this? 05:30pm Globalization, or rather, the fact that it's not being implemented properly, nor equally. kaufmann is linux popular in Brazil ? Yes. Actually, Linux is the single country with the highest demand of Linux from buyers to resellers - we don't have a very strong OSS culture, so the only way for most of us to acquire it is to buy the new RH-based Conectiva Linux (in Portuguese) version 3.0, which costs R$65 (around US$ 40 or 50). So I got "Art of the Meta-Object Protocol" in the mail today. 05:40pm s_r, still alive? Oh, that should read "Yes. Actually, Brazil is the single country..." -:- beholder [beholder@ppp-067.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has joined #tunes 05:50pm Hey beh hey kauf :) So, whats new? Nothing... I was having a dialogue with s_r, but that was abended for unknown reasons. Openprojects has been splitting terribly tonight What was the dialogue about? -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Kaufmann[200.224.105.175]) bye kauf 06:00pm -:- SignOff beholder: #TUNES (beholder has no reason) -:- SignOff s_r: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- omar [omar@port038.dialin-nc.FH-Koeln.DE] has joined #Tunes -:- omar [omar@port038.dialin-nc.FH-Koeln.DE] has left #Tunes [] -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES ( <k!14>) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us146.javanet.com] has joined #tunes !varley.openprojects.net!! Received :irc.linux.com SERVER asimov.openprojects.net from fontana.openprojects.net !?! !irc.linux.com!! 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