IRC log started Mon Jun 28 00:00:01 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0628 -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us220.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- hcf has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Free Reflective Computing System || http://members.xoom.com/NeoDOS/index.htm -:- Oddity [d96-abo@brown01.nada.kth.se] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- Vincent [user2248@hil-qbu-ppo-vty28.as.wcom.net] has joined #Tunes -:- Vincent [user2248@hil-qbu-ppo-vty28.as.wcom.net] has left #Tunes [] -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@209-122-229-85.s593.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- Netjoined: koontz.openprojects.net clarke.openprojects.net -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-225-12.s266.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-231-64.s318.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes !sterling.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT lu.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo !sterling.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT lucas.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) -:- altp [mbond@157.182.171.231] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff altp: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us330.javanet.com] has joined #tunes gakuk! the comp.os.research faq has a new maintainer has it? are there improvements? hcf: why don't you edit src/Review/* and use cvs??? a new version of the faq isnt out yet the guy /just/ took over maintainership http://x37.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=494520499&CONTEXT=930587319.113049721&hitnum=1 im waiting for the zope or whatever stuff to be set up seriously, why not use cvs? I'm not sure zope will be used and even if/When it is, cvs will be used for serious code, too (and data will be taken from what's in cvs) 09:30am * hcf/#tunes explained himself previously I'm wondering how to make you change your mind hcf.mind ^= O_USE_CVS ; givme an example where i would use cvs? vi OSes.phtml ; cvs commit why would i edit OSes.phtml? to make a note about the comp.os.research faq. or to put pointers to what you found on the web but our styles would clash (Languages.phtml also comes to mind) i dont like urs and u dont like mine so what? I'd see it in cvs, and make corrections as needed or we'd set up a common style there's space for many styles in Tunes. yeah, many and non-coordinated cvs is a way of coordination. which doesnt suit me what would suit you? me telling u about the c.o.re faq and u doing what u want w/ the info 09:40am Fare: u disapprove? well, I must cope * Fare/#Tunes sings "I will survive" 09:50am u have doubts about zope? we'll see well, something needs to be chosen or written wasnt there a lispy solution u mentioned? cl-http? yeah it's an infrastructure we could use tried it? 10:00am nope why not? because I haven't invested coding time in CL yet -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-225-64.s318.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes 10:10am -:- HickServ [thrustit@209.68.229.194] has joined #tunes hmmm doesn't look like too much going on right now hasta luego amigos too much??? FARE! HS! you're either sleeping or idleing HS is french acronym for "Hors Service", that is, "Out of Order". om oic well s_r never seems to be around HS: indeed, I'm either sleeping or idleing, non-deterministically I'm here, now in case you have questions he is "helping" me on my compiler didn't you want to hack the 386 or stdlib project? oh yeah have you glimpsed at the current code? and at the bfd library? i don't know how to work wincvs :( HS: install linux how many times do i have to tell people i can't on this computer it isn't mine it's gonna be a week or two (hopefully) till i get my new computer of course you can. Linux isn't that big. What you need to develop Tunes fits in a few hundred megs not my computer not my disk space well, you can also buy a rack for an IDE disk, or an external SCSI disk. (or a ZIP) or a floppy :D maybe a floppy won't be enough. i know im kidding * Fare/#Tunes recommends IDE racks, anyway -- cheap, effective. and useful mabye if i cold access cvs through telnet "The most Linux on 1 floppy disk" @ http://www.toms.net/rb/ you could edit files on bespin thru telnet 1d3 r@q! 10:20am ahem how? you buy one (around $20 in france, less in the US); then you plug an IDE disk in it (at market price) no through telnet telnet bespin.tunes.org ; cvs checkout tunes ; emacs tunes/src/LLL/i386/asmx86/* more like telnet bespin.tunes.org ; cvs checkout tunes ; pico tunes/src/LLL/i386/asmx86/* :D to browse the stuff, you can use http://cvs.tunes.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ (read-only) Real Gurus use cat > as their editor. or is it echo >> ? yeah, echo >>, because it's done purely with shell internal commands ok then which peice of source am i looking for? stuff in src/LLL/i386/asmx86/ ; see also source code for existing assemblers (nasm, win32for, flk, etc), and linkers (bfd) your task is to achieve an in-core assembler written in Scheme (oh, mit-scheme might help, too) (or cmucl) login and password for bespin? have you an account already? no sure 10:30am fare fare fare how to contact you in case we need? 10:40am read what? nevermind looks like we don't have much work done on it yet indeed feel free to make that no longer true 10:50am :) i must however learn scheme if you prefer CommonLISP, that'll be ok. * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 13 hrs 22 min 18 secs Tril!!!!! Fare who the heck is "Dave"? Tril: it's HickServ I told you to notify root when you made new accounts! yeah, I was going to do it I've just created the account :P ok dave is so cool he's my hero HickServ: Are you a tunes member? yes HickServ: do a lengua page and put up on ur bespin hp Tril: he just registered as "Dave New" fare go to http://zope.tunes.org/TUNES/New_Member_Form and enter him in the db that's the only thing working so far in zope fare: perhaps i should go even further to say that i need to learn lisp i made it yestrerday hcf: i think i'll keep lengua to myself to escape embarresment i have set up a database for Review and the other parts of the web page, and i am working gradually on zope access to them HickServ: ppl need the entertainment did qz really get a job at microsoft? hcf: hehehe you wish damnit ^x damnit pico there we go HickServ: send me a copy of ur draft Tril: oh hcf: which one? Fare: know any SQL? HickServ: which ones do u have? hcf: well i have my first paper that i sent to s_r but i totally rethought it Tril: very superficially I know the principles of it and that's all hcf: like hell you're getting that HickServ: write up ur rethoughts hcf: i am HS: have a homepage? hcf: i am trying to write part of this compiler though fare: no HS: have an e-mail? yes binaryalgernon@hotmail.com the review project will basically look like this, one entry for each language, with a set of described links which are related, and a set of reviews associated to a person who wrote each, the review allowwing arbitrary HTML in the text (but the links should be put together so they can go in our offsite links database and be checked together), ie.. use html but not hrefs in the review body. 11:00am i don't know how to let the compiler handle macros Tril: so one could access a review by lang, author, or associated link, right? fare hold on i'll fix.. see if you can get back to the form page hcf: theoretically fare: how should a compiler handle macros HS: Queinnec's LiSP has a chapter on that my opinion is that there should be first-class environments, and that macros be programs that run in a special environment at compile-time i see that environment may itself be communicating with the compiler. or it may be off-line, done before the compiler, like camlp4 or cpp. fare, the page is fixed, but hickserv is now in the db so don't worry about it HickServ: is your last name really "New" ? 11:10am hcf never entered a real name. oh yes my name is New it's Scottish hmmm i think i might go work on Lengua some more -:- SignOff HickServ: #TUNES (Leaving) 11:20am -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] -:- HickServ [thrustit@209-68-229-84.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes writing a parser is complicated :( 12:20pm it's been an hour and no one has spoken since i left look alive people!!! hickserv? rumour has it hickserv is wastes his time so effectively or the official Tunes knowledge moocher or belongs to the russian mafia so don't fuck with him 12:40pm -:- SignOff HickServ: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- binEng [Anders@dialup95-2-16.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us330.javanet.com]) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us330.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- Oddity [d96-abo@brown01.nada.kth.se] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-231-123.s377.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) -:- KeLp [kelp@methow32.methow.com] has joined #tunes * Fare/#Tunes is back hey Fare I saw your post to all those kernel mailing lists I'm on the OpenBSD and FreeBSD lists do you think I shouldn't have cross-posted? no, I think that was fine you got a lot of netbsd and freebsd people talking some how OpenBSD got taken out of part of the tread and not many OpenBSD guys replied and talking *together*, and with civility! s/tread/thread yep I mistook the OpenBSD address in my original post :( ohh didn't you send it to tech@openbsd.org? originally, I wrote openbsd-tech@openbsd.org :( :( :( I resent later, but the address in the Cc: was wrong I see I was wondering what happend there I hope the suggested features will be implemented, but I don't think they will before some time. I know the FreeBSD guys have a lot of other stuff to work on OpenBSD doesn't seem to talk about what they are doing on their lists and I don't follow NetBSD 02:40pm -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- binEng [Anders@dialup95-2-16.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- binEng [Anders@dialup95-2-16.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes -:- binEng [Anders@dialup95-2-16.swipnet.se] has left #tunes [] -:- binEng [Anders@dialup95-2-16.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff KeLp: #TUNES (off to napa) -:- KeLp [kelp@methow32.methow.com] has joined #tunes -:- HickServ [thrustit@209-68-229-48.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes hey fare 04:30pm testing gakuking :) Fare what did you post on the lists? i read the logs 04:40pm yay i got my webpage up :D check it out (www.tunes.org/~dave) what lists? lists are irrelevant you know for FreeBSD and NetBSD and such "you got people there talking" why not go on the web and read the list archives? you want them to add a feature just tell me what kind of feature open(foo,O_NULL) uh oh he's quoting code Everyone run!!! mount -o nullaccess,remount anyone here use pine? mutt 04:50pm -:- SignOff HickServ: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff KeLp: #TUNES (wenatchee) -:- _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[quatramaran.ens.fr]) -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-116.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes hi all -:- HickServ [thrustit@209-68-229-48.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes yummy yummy my tummy's full of pizza :) -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-236-220.s220.tnt12.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes Alonzo!!! -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes Fare!!! hum hi fare Water!!! :) hs: buzz off water: no water why don't you? because i'd like to talk with fare, if that's ok with you fare: how's the paper-writing going? :( im hurt 05:30pm fare seems to be away indeed what's fares full name nevermind i don't wanna look up all the ascii codes how do i set up a folder in pine that all the email from the mailing list would be sent to? 05:40pm hum paper-printing? I've printed lots of stuff writing hehe oh, not done much lately ok gotta add examples to implement1.tex yeah have any good research paper pointers? because it's pretty indigest in its current form water: hcf has lots i'm sure he does water: and the Languages.html and VMs.html and OSes.html point to lots of pages he's given me many i've scoured those too many times 05:50pm uh im dave@bespin.cx am i also dave@tunes.org? yup (try) okey dokey bespin sounds better than tunes though om what country is .cx? .cx? .cx is Christmas Island at http://www.cx cooly -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) 06:00pm wtf 06:10pm im trying to subscribe to comp.ai.nat-lang and it says it doesn't exist i feel rather distressed -:- SignOff HickServ: #TUNES (Leaving) yes! he left it would seem that way -:- Beholder [beholder@ppp-047.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has joined #tunes 06:20pm tril? 06:30pm Beholder? Beholder is yours going to have elements of both? Yes Sorry I didn't notice you in the other window :) 06:40pm what's the name for a law that gives a frame to a family of private contracts? a framing law? a frame law? fare: Hmm... I really don't know? Sorry. ok. gotta sleep bye! * Fare/#Tunes is away sleep 06:50pm whimp :) 07:00pm -:- lar1 [lar1@1Cust164.tnt31.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes Hey hey hey * Beholder/#tunes hears horses in the distance, comin to get all this hey.... heheh * water/#tunes slaps Beholder around a bit with a large trout massacre!! * Beholder/#tunes hasn't been slapped in so long, it brings a tear to his eye :) If I write a program in pure asm (NASM) how will it compare speed wise with a program entirely in inline asm using C to call functions (GCC)? bad jokes deserve slaps Heh ping dunno lar Hmm, know of a way to benchmark two programs so I can find out? lar: you have a good ide? it should include a benchmark utility lar: Make a script that shows the current time, run the program, and the ending time... and make sure what the programs do is HUGE! yes, a good timer helps water: Hmm IDE... *drool* I am senior command line huh? lar: Then do a bash script ;) oh Beholder: Its for an operating system... needs to be very high speed os's don't call api's in general Mostly I am concerned with start up time... Linux takes too long to load... I want this to be, push the power button and yer booted... well almost ;) s/load/boot hmm 07:10pm lar: Linux is doing a lot of stuff when it's booting... I don't know how to avoid the startup things. Beholder: Yes, but it shouldn't take that long to boot -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Read error to lar1[1Cust164.tnt31.sfo3.da.uu.net]: Connection reset by peer) -:- lar1 [lar1@1Cust5.tnt31.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes Sorry about that Earthlink has been evil to me lately s'ok, you only missed somone giving out the source code to the ultimate OS, he said he wouldn't be back either ... heheh brb Hmmm, darn :) too bad mine will be better... muaahahah ;) lar: Nahh... I downloaded it an it compiled itself... and it's emulating my windows right now... while it was running... and it recognized every piece of hardware I have... and it HAS the DoWhatIWant() function built in! :) whoa... ... unfortunaly it deleted itself and now I'm only stuck with a runtime system, and I dont' have the password to the replicate() function :( So I guess you'll all have to suffer 07:20pm I'm gonna look for a Linux IRC client and reboot... I wanna play on my local system ;) do that Tucows has linux stuff now, this should be easy :) Hehe..suffer we will brb -- food -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@200.224.105.223] has joined #Tunes -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (food) Shalom! gakuk 07:30pm hey How are you all? Fare, Tril, water? BTW - do my eyes deceive me or is that a link to a DOS site on the subject?!? (Or does the D stand for 'Distributed'?) >>> Kaufmann [Kaufmann@200.224.105.223] requested PING 930624141 from TUNES ? ! back 07:40pm Well, that does it for me. I'm joining the Rush fanclub right /now/. ? huh ? It's just too damn /good/. Especially the old stuff. Like _Anthem_. Or _Xanadu_. what is? Rush music. oh the band ok It's way up there in my non-instrumental top ten. ... then again, I'm a prog rock freak. * water/#tunes once considered being a boston fan And their lyrics are actually about /something/. Take _Closer to the heart_, for instance. yes 07:50pm Let me see if I can find the lyrics on lyrics.ch... (processing...) WTF?!?!?!?!? what? They don't have it. I mean, it's indexed as a song, but they don't have the lyrics. So let's try Google, then. ubl? doesn't the rush fan club have a home site? I dunno. found it Lessee what it gives me... The Gold Rush, Rush University, Rush Presbiterian Saint Luke's Medical Center... http://www.asof.com/ Found what? Oi vei, Rush Limbaugh look at that url Oh, kewl -:- binEng [Anders@dialup95-2-16.swipnet.se] has left #tunes [] woops :) 08:00pm n/m that's the right site DAMN THE EVIL MOSQUITOS!!!!!!! You'd think a smart man such as myself would earn enough to be able to TURN ON A BLOODY AIR CONDITIONER AND KEEP THE EVIL EIGHT-LEGGED VAMPIRE BEASTS AT FUCKING BAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus Christ. wow. 08:10pm I'm sorry for breaking like this, but this is ridiculous. My feet have more in them than a seamstress' apprentice's fingers. ouch Ah, here it is. "And the men who hold high places must be the ones to start to mold a new reality, closer to the heart. The blacksmith and the artist reflect it in their art, forge their creativity closer to the heart. Philosophers and ploughmen, each must know his part to sow a new mentality, closer to the heart. You can be the captain, I will draw the chart, sailing into destiny closer to the heart." cool indeed Not to mention that Geddy Lee sometimes sounds (impossible) even cooler than Robert Plant. -:- iepos [iepos@d14.t1-3.tecinfo.com] has joined #TUNES -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Ping timeout for water[ppp-tnt-116.tscnet.net]) -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-203.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes back hi........ hi are you smkl? wb -:- lar1 [lar1@1Cust243.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes Hola salut, lar1 -:- SignOff iepos: #TUNES (Ping timeout for iepos[d14.t1-3.tecinfo.com]) -:- Beholder [beholder@ppp-047.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has left #tunes [] 08:20pm -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-203.tscnet.net] has left #tunes [] _Free Will_ is also a good one... "You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice, if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice! You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill; I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose free will!" Good quote You gotta love a song that sounds great /and/ is a powerful philosophical/religious statement. Yes... that is a song? By who? "Free Will", by Rush In _Permanent Waves_ Hmm, Rush has some deep songs My english teacher had us anaylise quotes from them all the time 08:30pm "And the men who hold high places must be the ones to start to mold a new reality, closer to the heart. The blacksmith and the artist reflect it in their art, forge their creativity closer to the heart. Philosophers and ploughmen, each must know his part to sow a new mentality, closer to the heart. You can be the captain, I will draw the chart, sailing into destiny closer to the heart." Hmm, I want Rush mp3s now! Oh, that reminds me I gotta download QuickTime 4 Heh