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[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0521
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<iStormy> hi
<iStormy> hi abi
<abi> hey, iStormy
* iStormy/#Tunes feels wanted.  (c:
<binEng> hi
<binEng> and yes, hi abi :)
<iStormy> qnx demo sure does make me wanna write my own os already, so i can share in the speed and minuteness.
<binEng> I really agree...
<iStormy> that web browser really flies
<binEng> and it's small, and slick
<iStormy> it's buggy too, but you can't have it all.  (C;
<iStormy> but that was on javascript-heavy page
08:50am
<binEng> ic
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<tcn> howdy folks
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<AlonzoTG> u've got a lot of nerve dragging your nick in here...
<AlonzoTG> =P
<AlonzoTG> hehe
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<Tril> tmf whats up???
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<Tril> hi hcf
<hcf> hoy
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!drow:*! Lackey will be back in a few minutes... we hope...
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<dr-who> who has kvirc
<dr-who> ?
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<HickServ> hello
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<HickServ> :(
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<HickServ> :(((
<HickServ> hello?anyone?
04:30pm
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<_QZ> hello
<HickServ> where can i find stuff on driver writng?
04:40pm
<Fare> ole
<HickServ> huh?
04:50pm
<_QZ> driver writing for what OS?
<HickServ> well you wanted me to help with brix
<HickServ> but i don't know anything about device drivers
<_QZ> writing drivers for brix is as easy as writing a user function
<_QZ> as simple as writing a dos app
<HickServ> ok
<_QZ> brix drivers just get to use 6 kernel functions that user functions dont get
<_QZ> mget,mfree,iget,ifree,malloc
<HickServ> like let's say you want to write a video card driver
<_QZ> there is 6 but the kext function should only be used by the startup function
<HickServ> what would you have to do?
<_QZ> and malloc should only be used by the ofs driver
<_QZ> u just write functions
<_QZ> but u need to break up the video card into components
<_QZ> get the dcc
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05:00pm
<HickServ> dcc again
<HickServ> thanks
<_QZ> ignore everything above the line
<_QZ> this is kinda like ggi
<HickServ> hmmmm
<HickServ> it be nice if i knew more about all the terms on that tutorial :)
<_QZ> heh
<HickServ> im not a hardware person
05:10pm
<_QZ> hmm
<_QZ> what are u good at?
<HickServ> well i know some about kernel design and i know a lot about ai
<HickServ> i can do asm stuff
<HickServ> im good with asm
<_QZ> yer good with asm but u cant program hardware?
<_QZ> that doesnt make sense
<HickServ> yes it does
<HickServ> they aren't synonyms
<HickServ> im really not qualified to do much :|
<HickServ> hehehe
<_QZ> we use asm to tap every drop of performance from a machine, that includes writing our own hardware code
<HickServ> i see
<_QZ> how good are u with ai?>
<HickServ> pretty good
<_QZ> could u write a natrual language interpreter?
<HickServ> perhaps
<_QZ> with limitations ofcourse
<HickServ> they're pretty tough
<HickServ> but i probably could
<HickServ> yeah
<HickServ> you'd still have to follow a set of guidelines
<_QZ> right
<HickServ> but yes
<HickServ> i could
<_QZ> could u write one were the user can add verbs and nouns and it would be the glue
<HickServ> like dictionary entrys?
<_QZ> more like forth
<_QZ> do u know forth?
<HickServ> i started learning yesterday :)
<HickServ> i see
<HickServ> : kill blagh blagh
<_QZ> in forth u write a function and it becomes a part of forth
<HickServ> yeah
<_QZ> i want that in brix too
<_QZ> the language will be tightly intergrated into the ui
<_QZ> so the user can add little functions, or big ones, and they are just there
<HickServ> sure
<HickServ> in fact im trying to write a programming language that does the same
<_QZ> and everything in brix is written as single functions
<HickServ> ok
<HickServ> dat be coo
<_QZ> apps are built by a single function that calls another function that calls another and so on
05:20pm
<_QZ> but there is no single large app just functions that can be used by functions written by someone else
<_QZ> and those would be verbs in the language
<_QZ> and the data objects would be nouns
<HickServ> gimme some examples
<HickServ> bbl
<_QZ> show my 'taco bell dog' image
<_QZ> it would use the show function for the image class on the 'tac' bell 'dog' object owned by the current user
<_QZ> s/'tac'/'taco/
<_QZ> hmm, i just found a diamon supramax v90 modem on my kitchen counter
<_QZ> and it aint mine
<HickServ> ok
<HickServ> heh
05:30pm
<HickServ> i see
<HickServ> and 'show' would run the graphics editor?
<_QZ> no the viewer
<_QZ> the show function for the image class only displays the image in a view
<HickServ> oh
<HickServ> well ok
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<_QZ> since no view was specified then the language should create a window with one view and pass teh view id to the show function
<HickServ> do you want it in asm or c/c++?
<_QZ> as long as its broken up into flat binary functions i dont care what u write it in
<_QZ> well i would like the code to be small and fast
<HickServ> i think asm would be best
<HickServ> how will i interface witht eh os?
<_QZ> call gates
<HickServ> uh huh
<HickServ> could you like set up a proposal with all of what you want and os specifics for me and email it to me?
<_QZ> ya
<_QZ> what yer email address
<HickServ> binaryalgernon@hotmail.com
<_QZ> the ui, console or graphical will send each keystrok to a key handler function for the language
<_QZ> and it also displays it to the screen
<_QZ> this key handler can do stuff like word completion and syntax coloring
<HickServ> oh
05:40pm
<HickServ> yeah like most windows internet browsers
<HickServ> and debuggers
[pepe(kl@207.248.193.168)] hiii
<_QZ> u dont have to add that right away but it should be added later
<_QZ> and it should try to detect problems with things before the user has typed the entire line
<HickServ> like if the word is not in the dictionary?
<_QZ> if the user wants to define a function than it will drop into a non-interpreted mode and convert each line to bytecode
<_QZ> when the user is done it will compile the bytecode and either delete the bytecode or save it 
<HickServ> ok
<_QZ> but that is up to the user
<HickServ> oh
<HickServ> compile it?
<_QZ> the bytecode can be distributed to other platforms and compiled
<HickServ> well will it actually integrate itself inot the source or will it be in a file?
<_QZ> u should have some debugger stuff that can run tests on teh bytecode to verify that its bugfree before compiling
<_QZ> ok let me explain how it handles functions
<_QZ> modules are objects that contain functions for a class
<_QZ> if the module is over 4meg then its broken up into more than one module
<_QZ> functions can be added to and removed from modules at anytime
<_QZ> but the function will only be removed from the module after every function that depends on it has been removed
<_QZ> the module keeps links to every function that used a function
<_QZ> and the module keeps links to every function used by the function
<_QZ> understand?
<HickServ> heh
<HickServ> not really
<_QZ> ok say we have functions A and B in module X, andfunction C in module Y
<_QZ> A calls B and C so X will keep links to B and C
<_QZ> and C calls A so X will keep a link from C for A
<HickServ> ok
05:50pm
<_QZ> ugh thisis confusing
<_QZ> for each function in a module there are 2 lists
<_QZ> a list of functions that A uses and a list of functions that use A
<HickServ> i understand
<_QZ> when the second list is empty then A is no longer used by anything and it can be removed
<_QZ> so it looks in the first list and tells all those module to remove links from A
<_QZ> so u never have stray functions laying around
<HickServ> how does it do this
<HickServ> pretty cool
<_QZ> do what?
<HickServ> well this is all source code stuff isn't it?
<_QZ> no
<_QZ> functions are binary
<_QZ> there is never any text based source code in the system
<_QZ> the language needs to compile what the user types to bytecode and store it in an object
<HickServ> that's weird
<_QZ> an object is like a file
<_QZ> but an object needs to be in a class
<_QZ> the bytecode is in the bytecode class
<HickServ> oo?
<_QZ> ya
<HickServ> i see
<HickServ> how would i access the program loader for example?
<HickServ> in asm
<_QZ> when i send u a bytecode object yer language will compile it to machine code and store the api into the language
<_QZ> ther is no program laoder
<_QZ> u send a message to an object and shit happens
<_QZ> :)
<HickServ> wowsers
<HickServ> that's weird
<HickServ> is this a microkernel?
<_QZ> ya
<_QZ> with persistent store
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<_QZ> u dont need to save anything
<HickServ> i know
<HickServ> persistant storage
<HickServ> well how woud i access the viewer program in asm?
<_QZ> oh and there are no filenames
<HickServ> grrrr
<_QZ> i must go eat now
<_QZ> i will explain later
<HickServ> k
<HickServ> i'll start coding
<HickServ> or mabye not
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<HickServ> bye
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* AlonzoTG/#tunes greets "Salutations overfien!" :-)
<overfien> yo
07:20pm
<AlonzoTG> topick?
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