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Remote CONNECT herbert.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω tcn [tcn@209.150.250.113] has joined #tunes hey ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (Ping timeout for tcn[209.150.250.113]) 01:50pm ωνω SignOff Yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) ωνω binEng [andman4@dialup38-2-58.swipnet.se] has joined #Tunes ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes <_QZ> my dual p2 board was scanned into salt lake at 1:31am this morning <_QZ> maybe it will get here tonight :) 02:40pm ωνω ultima_ [ultima@user-38lc728.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes how'd you mean, scanned? hihi <_QZ> ups <_QZ> tracking number <_QZ> is denver a different time zone than utah? ωνω Yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff Yery: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω Yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes 02:50pm ωνω Beholder [beholder@ppp-037.m2-1.sub.ican.net] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Leaving) Anyone here? ωνω binEng [bineng@130.244.38.122] has joined #tunes <_QZ> nope QZ: The ending of half-life sucked <_QZ> yup <_QZ> did u see both endings? QZ: Actually the whole other dimension sucked. I'm bitter. That was an awesome game. QZ: Yep, I like when you refuse to work for him -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Please welcome frank.herbert.openprojects.net, our newest server at Linus Torvalds' former high school, Gymnasiet Svenska Normallyceum, in Helsinki, Finland <_QZ> games need to have deeper stories <_QZ> they need to change <_QZ> if u cant get past a part u can keep dying and redoing it until u succede QZ: I wanna make that level playable. No weapons, and 10 of thoese guys :) heheeh <_QZ> if tha game would change based on stuff u do then that wouldnt happen ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω SignOff Yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes 03:00pm <_QZ> have u tried to make a level for it yet? ωνω Yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes QZ: I agree. I would have been happier even if the game ended by you saving the Lambda complex people and getting them out of Black Mesa... that would have been a better ending QZ: Yes, but I have not tried anything serious yet. Just a simple box with elements within helsinki helsinki <_QZ> how many sections can u fit into a level? QZ: Quite a few, but it starts eating up a ton of memory and slows it down <_QZ> eh? <_QZ> it loads each section as u go into it <_QZ> i wanna build a single level that is as big as that entire game ωνω SignOff ultima_: #TUNES (Leaving) <_QZ> so u can roam everywhere QZ: The sections ARE levels :) Half-Life uses the Quake 2 engine, which is not divided into levels. The levels in Half-Life are logical, not physical. Every time it says "loading" that is a physical level <_QZ> its a section <_QZ> half-life breaks the levels into smaller levels(sections) to make the game faster <_QZ> u can roam from section to section in a level <_QZ> but u cant roam from level to level <_QZ> atleast u cant with their levels Ahh, then the level editor must only deal with sections I think. Or maybe the levels I was making were too small to have to load in sections <_QZ> maybe u can set a flag that lets the player go back to previous levels <_QZ> do u know if worldcraft breaks levels into section or if u have to do that manually? 03:10pm Like I said, I didn't have to do that so it's either automatic, or each section is a seperate level. Are you good at making Quake II levels? <_QZ> i made a quake level of my house and yard <_QZ> quite nice I made a buch of Quake and Doom levels myself, but Half-Life is my first attempt at Q2 type levels <_QZ> how is q2 different? Q2 and Half-Life seem to have huge levels and smaller sections, that is the only diff I think. Like I said, I guess I really don't know what is a level and what is a section. <_QZ> q2 doesnt load sections, does it? <_QZ> i have only played the linux test version !sterling.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT herbert.openprojects.net 8004 from ^lilo I played about half of the Win95 version, and it works kinda like half-life levels (not quite, but close) ωνω binEng2 [bineng@dialup246-1-22.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes <_QZ> wonderful <_QZ> my server isnt accepting my pop3 connection ωνω SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Ping timeout for binEng[130.244.38.122]) !herbert.openprojects.net!! Received :sterling.openprojects.net SERVER varley.openprojects.net from sterling.openprojects.net !?! ωνω NetSplit: sterling.openprojects.net split from varley.openprojects.net [03:18pm] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [sterling.openprojects.net] ωνω binEng2 is now known as binEng ωνω Netjoined: sterling.openprojects.net varley.openprojects.net ωνω Beholder [beholder@ppp-037.m2-1.sub.ican.net] has joined #TUNES 03:20pm π Beholder/#tunes is AFK <_QZ> ack, any1 know anything about smtp servers? ωνω SignOff Yery: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω Yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes ωνω Tril [dem@bespin.ml.org] has joined #TUNES <_QZ> tril what <_QZ> u know anything about smtp servers? yah I run one <_QZ> borg isnt accepting my connection <_QZ> i cant stinkin send email <_QZ> is that sendmail's fault? abi: abi's brain? well, abi's brain is http://www.tunes.org/~nef/abi/db-{are,is}.txt qz: do you have the mail port disabled in inetd.conf? If 2 progs try to listen on it then it wont work <_QZ> uhh ωνω SignOff Yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) <_QZ> it worked yesterday <_QZ> it has always worked except ofr today and i havent touched anything is there a sendmail process running (it should say "listening on port 25" in the ps listing <_QZ> root 164 0.0 2.1 1280 652 ? S Dec 6 0:00 sendmail: accepting c <_QZ> should i try to hup it netstat -a|grep smtp tcp 0 0 *:smtp *:* LISTEN <_QZ> oops <_QZ> hup was a bad idea it shouldnt hurt <_QZ> now the server refuses my connects <_QZ> before it just didnt do jack <_QZ> [root@borg /root]# netstat -a|grep smtp <_QZ> [root@borg /root]# 03:30pm read the logs Jan 14 18:20:08 bespin sendmail[61]: starting daemon (8.9.0): SMTP+queueing@00:1 5:00 <_QZ> they dont have jack <_QZ> just a million pop3 connects <_QZ> my logs del at 16k <_QZ> and netscape checks the pop3 server every 5 minutes and floods the logs yes it is sendmails problem it's not listening on the mail port <_QZ> well i think i killed it with that hup well run it again and then look at the log to make sure it started. if it didn't work the log should say why <_QZ> do i need any args for it? yes, use the full path to it or else: /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -q15m -bd = background daemon mode , -q15m , check the queue every 15 min <_QZ> what the flip?? here is what the log says after i hup'd sendmail and attempted to send mail with netscape <_QZ> Jan 22 16:26:17 borg in.telnetd[438]: refused connect from 206.63.100.13 ωνω Yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes I telnetted to borg <_QZ> oh duh, didnt look at the ip <_QZ> what is that -q15m? check every 15 minutes? yeah if mail doesnt get delivered it is kept in the queue, so that -q15m would cause it to keep re-sending every 15 min. <_QZ> oh <_QZ> is there any way to make aros send my mail? also on my home box I have all mail go to the queue, and only run the daemon when I'm online, which sends out all the mail i wrote while disconnected i have -q1m there if u are on their network their SMTP server should let you relay through it, try it mars.aros.net 207.173.16.20 <_QZ> like when i get home and connect, aros sends my mail at whatever their interval is which could be upto 30 minutes after i connect 03:40pm it does that now, or you want it to do that? <_QZ> it does that now <_QZ> i want it to immediately send my mail so you want to deliver your own mail, right? sendmail running on your box will send mail directly to the receiver's mailbox of course if the delivery fails, you have to be online to resend it <_QZ> ok i restarted sendmail and <_QZ> tcp 0 0 *:smtp *:* LISTEN root π Beholder/#tunes has returned hi Beholder <_QZ> but netscape still cant send mail telnet localhost 25 Hey Tril :) <_QZ> and there are no entries in /var/log/messages if that doesn't work, nothing else will. I got through i am connected to borg port 25 <_QZ> i can telnet it really slow though <_QZ> its a 33.6 Damit, I think my page counter provider has pulled my account... page counters are lame Gives me an idea of what kind of traffic has come to my page soon you'll be able to run your own hit counter I'd like that a lot better than a public page count provider. <_QZ> Beholder: my isp creates nice graphical logs of all activity to www.qzx.com :) <_QZ> http://www.aros.net/reports/qz/ QZ: Whats aros net? <_QZ> and they have kept those logs online since i registered the domain in dec95 ωνω SignOff Yery: #TUNES (Read error to Yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]: Connection reset by peer) <_QZ> aros.net is my isp <_QZ> they virtual host www.qzx.com and provide my dialup line and ip subnet QZ: My provider does not even give web space... cheap bastards QZ: Actually it gives free web space to Americans, but not us qz you should upgrade your sendmail to 8.9.1 yours is really old and all the bugs are well known :) 03:50pm I'm using your server to send mail to myself.. <_QZ> 11,720 Distinct hosts served in 24.7 days if it gets delivered there's no reason why you can't use your server to send mail QZ: 700+ hits per day on your page?! Is that right? <_QZ> maybe its netscapes fault <_QZ> Beholder: ya what did you put for smtp server <_QZ> borg so whats happening w/ the tunes website? just "borg"? or the full name? does your dns search the qzx.com domain? hcf:I feel like fixing it myself.. <_QZ> just borg, i have it aliases in /etc/hosts Tril: You Tril: You're doing all the web page work? nobody seems to be doing anything on it at all. i guess i have to do everything myself. Tril: Who have you asked? <_QZ> Tril: lack of a working binary means lack of motivation on the entire project <_QZ> sure everyone is really motivated immediately after joining the project but that motivation wears off Beholder: I shouldn't have to ask anybody. Everyone knows there is an open "new web page" project at http://tunes.org/~bineng/, and members can write to the directory, but nobody is doing it. <_QZ> ok ok i will go write to that dir :) qz:I haven't receipved my message yet. Tril: Well, I will try to find and motivate some members (or even non members) to do so. If you don't mind. Beholder: I thought you were going to do something yourself on it :) <_QZ> "Busiest" is that spelled right? i thikn so Tril: I guess I will :) I'll check it out the current state it's in. How the hell am I supposed to meta program the page? (Fare's request) hav we decided that http://tunes.org/~bineng/tunes.html & http://tunes.org/~bineng/docs.html are the way the site will look? i gotta go to class. qz check the mail for root@borg <_QZ> hmm hcf: Nobody has said anything about it <_QZ> i got mail from satan Beholder: just make separate files for the navbar and page footer (if any), and any other material common to pages. someone will wrirte a script to put it together later. Tril: i thot, that decision was supposed to be a result of the "meeting" i dunno.. but i have to leave ωνω SignOff Tril: #TUNES (Tril has no reason) 04:00pm <_QZ> tril: i would upgrade sendmail but i have no freakin clue howto use sendmail hcf: I think sometimes things move a little too slowly. I can't agree with some of Fares requests. I would like to see graphical page layout. I don't care about lynx friendliness, and it would be nice to have a logo i ~side w/ fare <_QZ> Beholder: do u think my pages are graphical? little or no gfx, and doing a logo now would be freedows-esque i ges hcf: Lynx friendliness!? I can't imagine why <_QZ> all my pages are lynx friendly QZ: I like your pages Beholder: ur being narrow minded hcf: I'm sorry, for that. I'm just not a big fan of lynx. I've used it before and realize it has uses, but I think what the page needs is "spiffyness". I know there is nothing to back it up, but... I can <_QZ> Beholder: i bet that u use windows? am i correct? :) QZ: Yes I do. I like GUI's <_QZ> hmm yer hiding yer version, u must be QZ: It's vIRC, it allows you to hide it <_QZ> a pathetic windows user is one that is afraid to let others know that he uses it <_QZ> i am using a gui right now <_QZ> and it blows away win9x QZ: Win95 OSR2.1 The most unstable MicroCrap product available, and the only thing I'm ashamed of is the fact that the Mac has not software! :) _QZ: hav u patented ur web site layout? <_QZ> i dont know if its true but that stupid little iMac kicked some ass over the xmas season <_QZ> hcf: yup :) <_QZ> hcf: i have 3 patents on it so i hav no rite to use the ideas i gave u? <_QZ> nope :) <_QZ> unless u license them from me :) in http://www.qzx.com/brix/info/, why doesnt the line.gif hav an alt tag? <_QZ> uhh <_QZ> bug 04:10pm QZ: Yep, hopefully it will get the developers it needs to get back on track. I can't complain about Mac's because I've used one. Granted, they are not servers, but they are still nice for the single user. Frankly if they were more popular I would only reccomend them for first time computer users. They should not be subjected to Windows. <_QZ> i used them throught high school <_QZ> we had to do our circuit layout on them to make the pcb masks QZ: In my personal experience they rarely crash and seem pretty easy to configure ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #Tunes <_QZ> i had to program them in pascal and basic QZ: But I have heard they are brutal to develop for <_QZ> and we used them for english <_QZ> papers Pascal? Basic? When that? 1987? scary Fare: We're just discussing how the Mac is the ultimate platform :) <_QZ> macs are nice machines, they just never upgraded the OS under the UI and never improved upon it <_QZ> s/it/the UI/ QZ: Did they ever crash on you? <_QZ> if jobs hadnt left maybe apple would have a better Ui and alot more market share today <_QZ> Beholder: i dont think so QZ: I saw it crash once while running a beta of Bryce3d <_QZ> but this was like 7-9 years ago <_QZ> ugh, how wamr can OJ get before it goes bad? QZ: So you've never used a PPC Mac? <_QZ> no i used whatever the best plus was and a mac II soemthing The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81G <_QZ> hehe QZ: I think BeOS would be nice to run on my machine Macs are crap, expensive, hardware been there, done that, vomited. Fare: SCSI-2... IDE is crap <_QZ> Fare: have u seen the iMac? Beh: sure, IDE is crap, but unlike the Mac, it's inexpensive 04:20pm QZ: I've seen it, I've seen the price, I've chosen something else. <_QZ> how is ide crap? QZ: no warranty on flushing buffers <_QZ> Fare: well 800,000 ppl bought one over the xmas season <_QZ> the iMac outsold all other machines for 1998 QZ: so what? it has been said that so what is the preference, menu at the left, right, top, bottom? QZ: IDE: Master-Slave SCSI-2: 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 (SCSI-3 goes up to 14) I have ALL IDE channels filled in my machine :( π Beholder/#tunes AFK since when 800K dummies make something any less wrong than it is? 6G people didn't buy an iMac! that's 1000 times more! Beh: the number of devices in the IDE channel ain't a problem Beh: the fact that it just ain't reliable *is* a problem. <_QZ> how is ide not reliable I wouldn't do life-supporting transactions on IDE! QZ: 1) get the ATA spec 2) get the SCSI spec 3) compare <_QZ> ata is scsi QZ: 0) buy a brain ATA == AT Attachement == IDE well, RTFM <_QZ> it uses a scsi clone protocol no it ain't unless you consider MSDOS is a clone of UNIX <_QZ> well atapi does and its ide :) atapi does, but it's just for CDROMs <_QZ> msdos IS a clone of unix Fare: is ther a website w/ a layout that matches or is close to what u want the tunes website to have? <_QZ> made by someone that didnt know much unix QZ: and you're a clone of a systems developer? hcf: www.tunes.org hcf: see my comments on http://www.tunes.org/~bineng/ Fare: u dont want it changed? gotta go, family needs the computer. Later :) I wrote what I thought. ωνω SignOff Beholder: #TUNES (Read error to Beholder[ppp-037.m2-1.sub.ican.net]: Connection reset by peer) <_QZ> hcf: u forget that fare is colorblind and can only see in 1 dimension :) cya I'll happily welcome any improvement, within given constraints <_QZ> hwo about adding color? π Fare/#Tunes feels like flaming tonight Fare: any example sites besides tunes.org? <_QZ> maybe a gif/jpeg/png or two? _QZ: shut up QZ: why add colors? users choose the defaults they like; why the hell force another color combo on them??? <_QZ> how about some source code or maybe a bianry on the page? :) farw ωνω lar1 [larman@1Cust157.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes Hi but I don't really mind about colors, as long as 1) there's enough contrast 2) it doesn't "shout" at you _QZ: how about u do the same 3) it can be removed How do I create procedures in nasm? I'm 100% pro stylesheets and stuff <_QZ> hcf: 2 outta 3 aint bad foo: jmp short foo ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250095.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes <_QZ> lar1: u dont QZ: I wrote what I thought on ~bineng/ anything else, I'm not sure I care about 04:30pm lar1: why not read examples? _QZ: Can I just put my functions in lables in a different file and include it? lar1: .globl foo <_QZ> lar1: yes lar1: syntax may be slightly different in NASM than in gas Fare: Ok, thanks i dont care, its just pathetic that the disagree w/ website layout has lasted so long and is still seems to be an obstacle to progress lar1: RTFM? UTSL? read examples? hcf: I don't *disagree* ωνω lar1 is now known as lar_coding hcf: if someone *does*, *he* chooses. no one is doing <_QZ> i say we vote on how long tunes will last? i say 1yr :) beholder kinda wants to, but he wants a spiffy container I *don't*, so I don't *choose*, but I'm still entitled to an *opinion* and a bunch of shit binEng: Did you find Godel Escher Bach? tcn, no I didn't Fare: do u dislike the unios layout? <_QZ> the website of the OS gives an idea of what kinda OS it will be binEng: It's by Douglas Hofstadter, with a d ;) <_QZ> the tunes website says "blah os" _QZ: brix says all info, no src/bins <_QZ> atleast i have sources since Tunes is a musical OS, it doesn't need visuals <_QZ> and info on my OS <_QZ> tunes has no info <_QZ> the info on tunes does not in anyway relate to what type of OS it is _QZ: rite, the ppl w/ the info r waiting for a better looking site Fare? Fare is utter <_QZ> abi needs a babysitter tcn: thanks, I guessed the name was mis-spelled Are we 'discussing' the site here? lar_coding: basically I put a clarification in www.tunes.org/~bineng/ Fare: do u dislike the unios layout? <_QZ> fighting over what the tunes web pages will look like will not result in any source code being produced <_QZ> Fare: do u dislike the brix layout? afair, unios wasn't lynx-friendly, so no, I didn't like it <_QZ> Fare: what about the beos layout? :) beos doesn't even exist <_QZ> brix layout IS lynx friendly <_QZ> and environmentally safe too edible also sorry, unios looks more-or-less lynx-friendly. (could be better, but still) Fare: if given the go ahead, beholder could/would do the tunes site w/ the unios layout like, every image should have an ALT field of course he's got the go-ahead but I insist on any systematic layout being done through metaprogramming. 04:40pm How the hell am I supposed to meta program the page? (Fare's request) might be CL-HTTP, Jade, PHP, Perl, zsh, or whatever he likes I recommend CL-HTTP, tho but again, whoever does, chooses only if he does it w/o metaprogramming, *he*'ll be responsible of manual maintenance of all pages. What do you mean 'metaprogram' anyway? A script that adds headers to each page? I guess he doesn't want that. tcn: that's be level 0.01 of metaprogramming. manual maintainance would lead to lack of maintainance example: review project pages haha hcf: which is why I strongly disrecommend it, unless he's like 24/7 available for maintenance Hey, Unios looks good in lynx, except for the documents page (which uses tables, and should use
) now, *he* chooses. tcn: lack of ALT= shows Fare: yeah, same w/ Brix then it sucks Fare: in case u care, www.tunes.org/~nef/rev/ has all the link stuff i did for the review proj hcf: why not modify directly the review project in CVS???? Fare: Brix doesn't have screwy tables though. It looks ok in lynx. hcf: you like wasting everyone's time including yours? i did it the way i prefered, wasnt it my choice? yes it is indeed only there's a feeling of waste *you* do, *you* choose, and *I* still am entitled an *opinion* but its done whatever fare, at least he did it and since no one was ever gonna do it sure, now it requires someone to integrate the changes That's the easy part though i thot the pages wernt gonna remain everything is going into some db or something, aint it? hcf: even when they go away, what replaces them will be based on their current contents!!! hcf: so if you don't fix the current contents, what's the use, anyway? so how do u think i should hav done it? how should i of dealt w/ mia links? 04:50pm <_QZ> does lynx have a reload option? yeah, ^R <_QZ> thanks I like the new Lynx.. finally displays the page before it's finished loading put it in a new section MIA under TODO or plain delete if obsoleted by another link π Fare/#Tunes hasn't compiled the new lynx yet. Is there a .rpm anywhere? ωνω SignOff binEng: #TUNES (see you earlier) Fare: Probably. I got a .deb... fare, I'm surprised you use Redhat if you like text so much :) tcn: unhappily, SLS was discontinued and why do you think RedHat is not textual??? Fare: Well, debian comes with SVGAtextmode, Lynx, lotsa nice textmode stuff, all ready to go Fare: I'm using 100x37.. it's beautiful I got SVGATextMode, too What is wrong with graphics? but on this laptop, I get better results with vesafb, anyway you know, debian and redhat have different package systems, but it's the same software underneath! lar: cripples the mind. lar: unless it's TeX math stuff <_QZ> a picture says a 1000 words graphics is slower.. wastes developer and user efforts Okay... QZ: but only the 1000 words necessary to describe the picture Unless of course, we write an efficient graphical interface that can boot in 3 seconds. Kinda like some older ones.. Atari, Amiga.. <_QZ> the gfx UI in win9x, X, whatever slows the user down I'm for semantics-centered interfaces <_QZ> but the UI in brix will be faster than any text or gfx UI of today <_QZ> hybrid-UI 05:00pm application developers expose the semantics, and unless writing specifically games, should have NO ACCESS WHATSOEVER to the UI I loathe a system where database programmers have to open windows and stuff <_QZ> tcn: have u seen beos? UI specialists should write metaprograms that take semantic description and user preferences, and generate interfaces automatically. beos doesn't exist. Neither do Atari and Amiga. Proprietary software doesn't exist. If we could write a decent natural-language interface, think how nice it would be when speech recognition becomes more practical It's not software, only illusion of software. <_QZ> Fare: tunes doesnt exist not yet. qz: No, haven't seen beos running, just read about it a bit <_QZ> not ever Proprietary software will NEVER exist. qz: anything special about beos? I bet on it you choose your bet. <_QZ> tcn: it can boot in 3 seconds cool so does my linux laptop more like 30 altho it's helped by the DELL suspend-n-resume hardware <_QZ> tcn: i can boot beos from my 24x cdrom faster than win9x boots from my hdd C++ is EVIL INCARNATE. <_QZ> tcn: and all the tests say my cdrom is really a 10x you got screwed :) <_QZ> if the drive says "max" dont buy it abi: beos? beos is useless be? be is a stupid name.. their web page looks like a joke :) abi: beos is also led by a stupid arrogant frenchman okay, Fare. :) Fare: u smile like a little girl ;-> <_QZ> haha 8-) :) 8) (: :) haha <_QZ> funny how fare is the only person that phrase works on :) hcf just types fast :) <_QZ> no, i told that one to abi a month ago <_QZ> i also did ;) π Fare/#Tunes likes little girls, anyway <_QZ> fare is also a sick little pervert okay, _QZ. fare? fare is probably utter or a sick little pervert pfff! _QZ is a fag QZ? rumour has it QZ is the two least used letters of the alphabet <_QZ> only small men speak anonymously thro bots _qz? rumour has it _qz is the creator of BRiX, and webmaster of http://www.qzx.com hehe _QZ: its not anonymous, since only me and tril can do it <_QZ> and tril isnt here 05:10pm <_QZ> unless tril is watching on the page <_QZ> which means its still anonymous tril could be in another channel, /msg'ing abi ;) tcn: also, in theory, tril could be doing it via ipc <_QZ> ** Bad HTML!! Use -trace to diagnose. ** <_QZ> thats not good <_QZ> maybe its cuz lynx sucks what page? <_QZ> Sorry, you have encountered a bug in Lynx Ver. 2-4-2 hehe, time to upgrade <_QZ> i knew it <_QZ> i knew i was good html coder I have lynx 2.8.1 rel 2 or via telepathy? <_QZ> tcn: http://www.qzx.com/brix/mailing_list/ anyway. Sho wanna be a pro w/ metaprogramming HTML? hcf: I just looked at 'abi's brain'.. haha, lotsa crap in there :) W/ metapogramming device drivers? fs drivers? memory managers? qz: Looks fine in lynx 2.8 tcn: yep, crap generated from the #tunes community what do you want to metaprogram? tcn: how do you look @ abi's brain? abi: tell lar_coding about abi's brain abi's brain? it has been said that abi's brain is http://www.tunes.org/~nef/abi/db-{are,is}*.txt <_QZ> ahhh, i guess lynx doesnt like it when i never end an lar_coding: replace {are,is} with are or is Ok qz: It works for me, though. but yeah, I end everything but

in my pages. π hcf/#tunes is away 22/01/99 20:17:13 EDT : ... tcn it doesn't work... π _QZ/#tunes is GONE ( f00d ) 05:20pm lar_coding: just try http://www.tunes.org/~nef/abi Ok, got it, thanks who is abi? abi is, like, the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik who's abi? i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik abi: who are you? i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik abi: who is you? i guess i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik you? abi? yes, tcn? abi, you? i am much more productive when you don't have to even *think* about placing icons on my desktop you is dumb abi: you is dumb i already had it that way, Fare. abi, you is? tcn: i don't know abi, what is you? it has been said that i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik huuuuuuuuuh? abi, your brain is very full of crap! abi: your brain? my brain is very full of crap! abi's brain? hmmm... abi's brain is http://www.tunes.org/~nef/abi/db*.txt π hcf/#tunes is back abi: are is to are what is is to is fare: i don't know abi: are is is the present of be is am are is the present of be i guess the present of be is am are is the present of be is the present of be is am abi, windows? i heard windows was a 32bit patch for a 16bit shell on an 8bit OS originally made for 4bit machines by a 2bit company that can't stand 1bit of competition tunes? tunes is in my head or tunes is a useful nevertheless expedient system. or at http://tunes.org/ 05:30pm abi: CL-HTTP is at http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/cl-http/home-page.html of t? i guess of t is 4000 for tution..anyone heard of Beloit College? his OS has uses hers hasn't as is so sue us his OS has uses hers hasn't as ? intels "piece of shit x86"? intels "piece of shit x86" is making money, motorola's wasnt abi: his OS has uses hers hasn't as is so sue us abi: his OS has uses hers hasn't as? hmmm... his OS has uses hers hasn't as is so sue us cl-http? cl-http is at http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/cl-http/home-page.html www? www is freebsd Cl-hTtP? i guess Cl-hTtP is at http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/cl-http/home-page.html forget www Fare: I forgot www abi: bineng abi: lynx hmmm... lynx is compiled and installed abi: forget lynx Fare: I forgot lynx Maintaining abi iz gonna be a bitch :) who wants to program what around here? Fare: what needs to be programmed? bitch? tcn: everything! it has been said that everything is an object, and you don't run things, you send messages to them. To get a variable's value, you send it the message "value:" Fare: bitch = difficult abi: forget that crap! Fare, I didn't have anything matching that crap abi: forget everything! tcn: I forgot everything scary! hehe, I wiped her clean the world? Fare: forget everything! tcn: who are you? I am an infobot abi, me? i think tcn is using lynx, as much as possible abi, I? you are using lynx, as much as possible Got to go... bye! abi needs to be programmed! ωνω SignOff lar_coding: #TUNES (Leaving) how so? 05:40pm tcn: what about programming persistence? Fare: yes, I wanna try that soon hcf: she needs to ignore crap u mean the everything crap? abi is also crapulmaniac okay, Fare. abi? Fare? what is abi? it has been said that i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik or crapulmaniac abi is also or okay, Fare. what is abi? rumour has it i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik or crapulmaniac or or tcn: u mean the everything crap? tcn: read the RScheme docs? The Grasshopper docs? hcf: maybe she should ignore everything not directed at her well, put it in a separate db, anyway yeah i think the way it works is Fare: rscheme, no. grasshopper, some of it. either she learns and responses to everything or requires direct addressing for both learning and responding abi needs DMA? i haven't a clue, fare gotta go (sleep) ωνω SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Back to the Tunes OS project -- /whowas Fare) fare sleep? ;) s/sleep/sleeps/ 05:50pm tcn? tcn is probably using lynx, as much as possible >>> hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] requested PING 917057063 from TUNES abi, forget tcn tcn: I forgot tcn I'm downloading tcn: Object Orientation in OSes @ http://www-ec.njit.edu/~mxl5294/ ωνω Tril [dem@bespin.ml.org] has joined #TUNES hoy Tril hi what's up, Tril not much ABI hey tril 06:10pm hcf: more academic bullshit :) sorry might be interesting though Sweet! I got a Apple II emulator! Tril: what r u doing tunes-wise lately? hcf: nothing , you can do it if you want i've got homework i need to work on, i'll try to get it done quickly so i can work on tunes I bought a hard drive for bespin, that should count more space! i'm not installing it until sometime after the 30th though i have to get a bunch of distros and decide one to use on bespin Which one have you got now? Deb20? slack35 06:20pm I just installed debian 2.1... very nice. Haven't had to hack anything yet :) Has ssh, pgp, gpg, etc, available as packages ωνω NetSplit: lackey.openprojects.net split from koontz.openprojects.net [06:22pm] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [lackey.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: lackey.openprojects.net koontz.openprojects.net ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250095.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes how many megs of binary packages are there? what happened? that was a split Tril: Hmm, not sure are there packags for all the gnu utilities? During the install, it listed some configurations that took up almost 1 gig installed. I think all the GNU stuff is included. It's called Debian GNU/Linux now. For example, I just downloaded some gnome packages. it's always called GNU/Linux. I mean everything in a /pub/gnu ftp site? gotta go.. π Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] afk? what's that mean? afk is away from keyboard That OO thing looks interesting, now that I look at it.. 06:30pm ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (Ping timeout for tcn[cci-209150250095.clarityconnect.net]) ωνω ultima_ [ultima@user-37kb9ss.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes Trillions! 07:20pm ultima_: www.tunes.org/~nef/rev/* <_QZ> hmm, stupid netscape. its now sending my mail <_QZ> The Top 7 Worst Jobs in America <_QZ> 7> Photographer for the "Miss Nude Octogenarian" pageant <_QZ> 6> Laxative tester <_QZ> 3> Depends Undergarment Maximum Load Tester _QZ hahaha <_QZ> 1> Restroom attendant at the Texas Chili Competition oooooooooh 07:30pm <_QZ> this is bull <_QZ> my mobo came into utah at 12:30pm last night _QZ heh <_QZ> it took less than 24hrs to travel from texas to utah <_QZ> but ups cant get it the last 15 miles in under 3 days <_QZ> they probably wont deliver it until monday night <_QZ> so it will sit in, 15 miles away from me, for 4 days <_QZ> thats the army's motto, "hurry up and wait" cute 07:40pm <_QZ> ok, it took 25 hours to cross 3 states and 90 hours to make it the final 20 miles HAH <_QZ> im gonna complain to the ups driver when he gets here ωνω lee [lee@usr3-ppp21.lvdi.net] has joined #TUNES <_QZ> do those pads they carry have wireless tranceivers in them? <_QZ> like if i killed the driver would ups know he was at my house? probably why would you kill him at your house jack him at the end of his route that way they cant find you based on what he delivered he probably radios in when he delivers 07:50pm <_QZ> uhh i would take everything in his truck and then drive it into the lake 08:00pm ωνω SignOff lee: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250088.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes hoy tcn hey, I read that OO paper Choices sounded like what I want my OS to be, till I went to their website and saw it was in C++ ωνω lee [lee@usr3-ppp21.lvdi.net] has joined #TUNES ωνω lee [lee@usr3-ppp21.lvdi.net] has left #TUNES [] tcn rofl Choices is the epitomy of how the quality of ideas are inversly propertional to the quality of implementation distributed, parallel :) So is tunes great ideas, crap implementation =) haha look at linux crap ideas, great implementation 08:50pm crap implementation, that's what you get for being anal and trying to get it right the first time heh true I think _QZ will do well, if he's not afraid to rewrite his OS all the time hahahahaha maybe Me, I'm on my 3rd prototype I have a feeling _QZ is gonna turn into another deraadt deraadt? someone who spent too much time on IRC and wasted away? egotistical asshole who got kicked out of NetBSD for that reason, so he added a few drivers and got some people to beef up the security, and called it OpenBSD =) so how's the story end? It hasnt OpenBSD is probably the most insecure secure OSin the world though you probably couldnt root it, but a child could crash it haha The main difficulty is finding an OBSD site to hack into... ;) 09:00pm ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (sleep) !herbert.openprojects.net!! OPCOM dilbert MODE #test -o dilbert AT herbert.openprojects.net !herbert.openprojects.net!! OPCOM dilbert MODE #test +o dilbert AT herbert.openprojects.net ωνω lar1 [larman@1Cust231.tnt4.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes hoy lar1 Hi! How do I convert Seg:Off to 20bit again? <_QZ> shift seg left 4 bits and add off Thanks <_QZ> 1234:5678 = 12340+5678 FFFF0+FFFF = bit over 1mb <_QZ> actually its 16 bytes short of 64k over 1meg 10:20pm In pmode, I have to write my interupt handlers to switch to real mode, right? How do I have it switch back as soon as the int is done? <_QZ> same way u got into pmode in teh first place So I have to change the code at the end of all the real mode ints? 10:30pm !sterling.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT herbert.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo <_QZ> no Then how? <_QZ> the rmode int will return back to yer int handler 10:40pm Oh, cool. So my int hander gets out of pmode, the int executes, and it switches back to pmode for me? Err, the my handeler now in rmode switches for me? slave^H^H^H^H^Hlars! What? heh =) 10:50pm ωνω SignOff ultima_: #TUNES (Leaving) Got to go... later ωνω SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Leaving) 11:00pm ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) !sterling.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT herbert.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0123 IRC log ended Sat Jan 23 00:00:01 1999